tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-574300303008890516.post4061643280391289750..comments2024-03-27T20:48:39.389-04:00Comments on [Birth Mother] First Mother Forum: Utah rules against natural father. Again. And again. Adoption is big business there.Lorraine Duskyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/18285341379272250245noreply@blogger.comBlogger52125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-574300303008890516.post-3585263543801493062011-12-19T11:38:55.997-05:002011-12-19T11:38:55.997-05:00I just caught this last night on Dateline and my h...I just caught this last night on Dateline and my heart breaks for this young man. What a nightmare and it's mind boggling to me that this can happen in our country! Utah's laws are so self righteous, it's just disgusting. I never realized that a baby could be kept from a birth parent who has not signed their rights away. Utah is just downright scary...I wonder what else goes on there that we don't know about.<br /><br />This is a little reminiscent of the David Goldman situation, where his son Sean was in Brazil and it took him years and years to get him back!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-574300303008890516.post-86343178545782891212011-12-13T17:11:57.190-05:002011-12-13T17:11:57.190-05:00I am sickened over this. My Father God in Heaven w...I am sickened over this. My Father God in Heaven would be sickened over this; a Church organization is involved? I am a Christian and I cannot understand how this is possible for one state to over rule all other states judgments in this manner. This man was given custody rights. It is unjust and wrong. I Pray this man and many others get their children back. It is an outrage that this country could even pass a law like this. Shame on you Utah! My Prayers and tears for any person having been betrayed in this way will be heard in the highest of places where God is in control. The people stealing babies (yes it is stealing) will one day stand and give an account for their actions. Has anyone ever asked himself or herself how these will children feel when they grow up and find out the truth that there biological parent wanted them. That a state ruled against it due to the fact that they didn‘t sign some piece of paper to try to stop adoption of their child that they never gave up for adoption in the first place? The fathers name was on the birth certificate. The mother knew the address where he lived and she lied. Why is it there is not a law against that? She should be punished for allowing another state to take her child out of the state, in my opinion illegally. It doesn’t make sense. Oh and Utah they are not your children to give away!Deb Lunnnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-574300303008890516.post-58265521343400850552011-12-12T05:17:59.526-05:002011-12-12T05:17:59.526-05:00I am a woman and do not have children. I saw John...I am a woman and do not have children. I saw John Wyatt's story on "Dateline NBC" tonight (a rerun, I think). I am heartsick that in our country, biological fathers are considered second-class citizens. How can the law not protect John Wyatt's rights?<br /><br />As for the person who posted about the adoptive child who killed the family's pets, as an animal lover, when I hear these stories, I want to shout at the adoptive parents - YOU CANNOT HAVE PETS IN YOUR HOUSE AS LONG AS THAT CHILD LIVES THERE. Insanity is repeating the same behavior and expecting a different result. if you have an animal killer in your household you cannot have pets. Plain and simple.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-574300303008890516.post-55100840748281189532011-08-24T04:40:02.579-04:002011-08-24T04:40:02.579-04:00I don't have children but if I did I would fig...I don't have children but if I did I would fight until the day I died to get my child out of a home like the one poor Emma is stuck in right now. Anyone who would do what they did has no morals and they aren't fit to raise ANY child.Rebecca Hermanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12045279026055038231noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-574300303008890516.post-50186979900752221662011-08-23T22:07:13.584-04:002011-08-23T22:07:13.584-04:00Regarding "ripping the child from the only pa...Regarding "ripping the child from the only parents she has ever known" -- in two celebrated cases where courts overturned adoptions and ordered children placed with their fathers, Baby Richard and Baby Jessica, the children did just fine. Baby Richard was four and Baby Jessica two.Jane Edwardshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05669797756463841249noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-574300303008890516.post-26950345563290625222011-08-23T19:13:40.867-04:002011-08-23T19:13:40.867-04:00@Anon 11:59
John Wyatt is the girl's FATHER. ...@Anon 11:59<br /><br />John Wyatt is the girl's FATHER. I don't see how he could possibly show his love for her more than by wanting to be the one to love her, provide for her and protect her. He is showing his concern for her well-being by wanting to step up to the plate and make sure she is safe and sound himself rather that leaving HIS CHILD in the care of strangers. And strangers who have certainly shown they have a questionable character by being willing to take a child when they knew that she had a bio-father who wanted to raise her. <br /><br />Some people say that Mr. Wyatt should do the "selfless" thing and leave his daughter where she is. I really wonder how many people if faced with this same situation would not fight tooth and nail to get their child back. It is one thing to discuss this scenario in theory and quite another if this was your child in this situation.<br /><br />I commend John Wyatt. I think many young men of his age would rather be out partying and dating that taking responsibility for his young daughter. He seems mature beyond his years.<br /><br />Reading the blogs and comments, etc. it seems that about 2 out of 3 people are on our side. When Kate Snow mentioned the "this is the only family she's ever known and why would he want to remove her from that" I wish he had just looked her in the eye and said "because I AM HER FATHER".Robinnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-574300303008890516.post-76503085741548594512011-08-23T11:59:00.781-04:002011-08-23T11:59:00.781-04:00So now this story is beginning to sound more and m...So now this story is beginning to sound more and more like a story from the Bible. Is it better to rip this child from the only home she's ever known just so John Wyatt will feel justice? Or is it better to think of what is best for the child? Do a little research on reactive attachment disorder and you will know what I am talking about.<br /><br />All the legalities and lies aside, whatis best for the child from this point on? That is who matters now. John Wyatt and his girlfriend made a mistake getting pregnant when they may not have been ready to take on the role of being a stable parent, and the agency/adoptive parents were not truthful either. The only innocent one in all of this is the little girl. Why is no one speaking up for her? Where are the doctors to say how this can affect her future?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-574300303008890516.post-91215009317398328882011-08-23T08:16:26.461-04:002011-08-23T08:16:26.461-04:00Amen, Rebecca. You went to the heart of the matter...Amen, Rebecca. You went to the heart of the matter.<br /> The adoption agency A[n] Act of Love (Their grammatically incorrrect name bugs me) knew before there was a problem with the father not reinquishing his parental right; the adopters knew, and still they took the child and won't give her back.<br /><br />Thomas and Chandra Zarembinski, who have John Wyatt's daughter, are lousy people, that's all. The date line show omitted their name. Too bad.Lorraine Duskyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18285341379272250245noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-574300303008890516.post-52045148556161781282011-08-23T06:51:20.888-04:002011-08-23T06:51:20.888-04:00They knew the father wanted the baby BEFORE they t...They knew the father wanted the baby BEFORE they took her home. This wasn't something they found out after the fact, it was something the mother told the agency and as a result they were required to sign documents that they knew it was an at-risk adoption before the agency would even place the baby with them. <br /><br />I also think if they wanted an adoption under Utah law it was wrong to remove a child from another state against the wishes of a parent. They should have adopted a child born in Utah. Virginia gave the father custody, he filed in time there and the baby was born there. What they did was completely indefensible. They chose to take the child and bond with the child knowing her father wanted her and would fight for her.Rebecca Hermanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12045279026055038231noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-574300303008890516.post-62479269052788881002011-08-23T04:27:20.043-04:002011-08-23T04:27:20.043-04:00@ anon who posted this:
"This is Utah and Mo...@ anon who posted this:<br /><br />"This is Utah and Mormons we are talking about. One can't expect devil worshipers to respect the rule of law or even the law of the Creator.<br /><br />Utah is a state full of mindless inbred's that have more in-common with the Taliban then the other 49 States in the Union"<br /><br />Serioulsy? You hate the laws in Utah so now all of a sudden every mormon (correct term is LDS) is a devil worshiper and a mindless inbred that has commonalities with the Taliban?<br /><br />I am LDS and a birth mother who does not necessarily agree with the extremely pro adoption stance the church takes, however, that does NOT make me a terrorist or a devil worshiper. Please refrain from your ignorant stereo types and blatant hatred towards the LDS church when that isn't even the issue at hand.<br /><br />Also, at the last poster who just asked us (mostly first mothers) to TRY to empathize with an adoptive mother who could have her baby taken away...<br /><br />news flash, we don't have to TRY, we already know how that feels because we lost our children to adoption...oh but wait, nobody feels bad for us because we didn't "want our children anyway" right?! That has to be one of the biggest misconceptions out there about us birth mothers and it's a shame that people like you will never understand the pain, sorrow and anguish we feel so you can raise our children. Most of us DID want our children very much but were coerced or had no support what so ever in parenting them ourselves.<br /><br />If even one person had offered me support and some help I would have kept my son.<br /><br />What if every adoptive couple who spent thousands of dollars buying a baby chose to give even a little bit of that money to an expectant mother with no support? Just think how that would change the situation and the lives of all involved? Then the birth mother and the adoptee would not have to live with loss for the entire life.<br /><br />Except, that won't happen because what adoption is really about is an adoptive parent who is willing to pay anything for a baby...not really interested in what's best for the child like they claim.Nicolehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11586366927242305070noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-574300303008890516.post-35138979410663211912011-08-23T00:08:50.285-04:002011-08-23T00:08:50.285-04:00I would like to know how many of you that are leav...I would like to know how many of you that are leaving comments on this blog have ever actually adopted. I do not defend nor attack Act of Love on the Dateline story, but there is obviously some serious instability with the birth parents for these kinds of situations to ever even arise. Having adopted our boy one year ago after 3 failed attempts at adopting, I am grateful for the strict adoption laws of Utah. Is it any better for a birthmother to decide to take a baby back 6 weeks after birth when she chose not to keep him? Many adoptive parents spend years hoping that precious baby will come into their home. Before passing judgement, think for a moment how it would kill you to have a baby taken from you that you thought was legally yours simply because a birth mother changed her mind or a birth father finally showed up after the birth. Where was he for 9 months? <br /><br />I know fishy situations will arise with adoption issues in all agencies depending on who's telling the story. But to lable and entire state, religion, or people as baby grabbers, kidnappers, ect... proves your ignorance. Is every single dad a dead beat simply because you came across one in your lifetime? Focus on the story at hand and refrain from trying to take down everyone in your path to proving a point.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-574300303008890516.post-47776587955850630092011-08-22T16:42:16.202-04:002011-08-22T16:42:16.202-04:00I just saw this on Dateline and I am outraged. I ...I just saw this on Dateline and I am outraged. I haven't been able to sleep. This child was KIDNAPPED by Thomas and Chandra Zarembinski. This is just wrong. <br /><br />And to the person that liberals should use this to their advantage, why? I'm a conservative (Tea Party no less) and what happened is so wrong.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-574300303008890516.post-72022612463535583582011-08-22T15:19:08.387-04:002011-08-22T15:19:08.387-04:00Thoughts on Wyatt fight....
• Supreme court issue...Thoughts on Wyatt fight....<br /><br />• Supreme court issues was a failure to reply, lost rights.<br /><br /> o Option? To challenge the notice/text message (in Utah, etc….)<br /><br /> o Is the standard of “notice” consistent?<br /><br /><br /><br />• Other Support<br /><br /> o Align with the liberal machines/people, political organizations in Utah. Can they use your cause for their benefit?<br /><br /> o Seek to paint lawyer as capitalist, not a value conscious conservative. He wrote the law, then profits from it??<br /><br /> o Seek to run commercials of the video clip where he could not look other victims in the eye. Short and sweet. His body language says it all, totally fails the moral test.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-574300303008890516.post-20387404106719402932011-08-20T17:42:35.356-04:002011-08-20T17:42:35.356-04:00Thank you all for posting comments. Utah and their...Thank you all for posting comments. Utah and their baby-grabbing (legal kidnapping) ways need to be stopped!Lorraine Duskyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18285341379272250245noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-574300303008890516.post-39349946240511454602011-08-20T15:50:29.153-04:002011-08-20T15:50:29.153-04:00I live in Utah. I never went to Church, since a k...I live in Utah. I never went to Church, since a kid, born in '53. When I moved back up to Happy Valley, I go to Church, cos I dont want to hang out with the Druggys where I live, poor, health issues. 3 weeks ago, I was told in the Womens' Meeting, that, never having been Married, more specifically, I will be immortal, but wont have Eternal Life. I thought staying for the Lesson on Eternal Marriage would help, cos Id had a baby out of wedlock, and could use a little more decency, tho am not beating up on MySelf. They said in the AfterLife, UnMarried Women (People? I dont think so. Polygamy is still there in the afterlife, to make more Planets of People, the wives duty in the afterlife is to procreate) Will 'Administer To Those Who Have Had Temple Marriages. Constitutional Law Needs To Be Applied, If They Have This Belief, How Does It Affect How They Treat People?? When I was an unwed Mother, I have no family, and went to the Church. They said their Policy is, if You are UnMarried, You are to place the Baby for Adoption. It should be sought out, and used, Constitutionally, if Utah is having trouble, now. You girls make Me cry. We R Told We R Crazy.NativWorld Timing. Knowledge. Empowerment.https://www.blogger.com/profile/03509634901080786993noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-574300303008890516.post-1247128652201898282011-08-20T08:24:02.292-04:002011-08-20T08:24:02.292-04:00I felt the same way after watching Dateline last n...I felt the same way after watching Dateline last night. This is terrible; how could the adoptive parents take this child knowing that her biological father wanted to keep her. Do you not have a conscience? A heart? There isn't anyone better to raise their child than a biological parent; noone can love a child like their own blood parent and family. I've read other Web sites that the biological father should think about Emma and not rip her from her home. Maybe the adoptive parents should have thought about that from the get-go and instead of being selfish and only thinking about themselves, given Emma back to her daddy. What about all the deception; the hospital sneaking her out the side door, cross-outs on paperwork?? Isn't there something illegal about that and shouldn't that be considered as evidence against someone. Our God is a just God and I'm going to be praying diligently about this. This adoption agency, the Attorney General (with that smirk on his face during the interview just made me sick), State of Utah, you should be ashamed of yourself. Something needs to be done to stop this unethical practice!Lindanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-574300303008890516.post-18996770724292836212011-08-20T02:28:34.246-04:002011-08-20T02:28:34.246-04:00I've never posted a blog in response to an art...I've never posted a blog in response to an article or tv show, but after watching Dateline on friday night, I couldn't sleep. My blood just boils at the injustice of this. I realize that these cases can be very nuanced and "the law is the law". I also am very thankful that we are a nation of laws. But there also needs to be some room for the human element in any legal proceeding. There can be a difference between getting an outcome that is perfectly legal and getting justice. Even if the outcome here was legal (and I actually believe a very good case can be made for fraud), there is no question that justice was not served. This is really nothing more than legally sanctioned kidnapping. I put myself in the place of the adoptive parents. Just because someone might be considered an educated "professional" doesn't mean they have any integrity. I can't imagine how they can live with themselves knowing that this little girl's father wanted to retain custody. Sickening!!!cessnadriverhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02537483490612172836noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-574300303008890516.post-5033571883839345142011-08-20T02:10:38.096-04:002011-08-20T02:10:38.096-04:00I have never posted a blog in response to a news s...I have never posted a blog in response to a news story. But, after watching this friday night, I couldn't sleep, because I was so outraged at this injustice. It is nothing more than legally sanctioned kidnapping. I realize that this type of case can be very nuanced and "the law is the law", but this system is designed to work against biological fathers who want to keep their children. I also understand that the defense attorney was just doing his job, but he is the type of person that gives lawyers such a bad name. What a weasel!!! I tried to put myself in the place of the adoptive parents. I cannot imagine keeping a child when I knew that his biological father wanted to retain custody of him. They're just as much at fault for this travesty as anybody. I wish Mr. Wyatt luck in finally getting justice, but if/when it happens, he will undoubtedly have missed some of the best years of his daughter's life.cessnadriverhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02537483490612172836noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-574300303008890516.post-54916579973657997802011-08-20T01:07:39.126-04:002011-08-20T01:07:39.126-04:00This is disturbing. How can this happen? It ma...This is disturbing. How can this happen? It makes absolutely no sense. The people adopting this child are pathetic. How could someone steal a child from their biological father? After watching Dateline it seems that the adoption agency and family were quite aware of the laws, and manipulated it in their favor. That poor little girl.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-574300303008890516.post-58373580572769395272011-08-19T22:51:52.368-04:002011-08-19T22:51:52.368-04:00i agree he should kidnap the baby and then when he...i agree he should kidnap the baby and then when hes in virginia they can say virginia does not follow utah law. i mean the baby and the parents lived in virginia and the baby was born in virginia. so why go clear to utah for adoption. hmmmm well we see why know. their are so many deadbeat dad but yet these men actually wanted to raise their child. how will utah explain to that child we they grow up that yes one of your parent wanted you but he took longer then 20 days to contest it so he was out of luck. i it was me i would sue the state of utah for keeping me from my parents. i think utah better save up some money i see alot of lawsuits in the future. if i were the men i would constantly go on tv so when the kids grow up they can find their parents then together sue utah. alos the act of love agency should be shut down because all they are doing is kidnapping the babies and getting by with it. i think people should stay on this until the utah law changestinahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17108525461547738094noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-574300303008890516.post-82171774602393832032011-08-19T22:43:16.194-04:002011-08-19T22:43:16.194-04:00i am so disgusted by utah. women complain about de...i am so disgusted by utah. women complain about deadbeat dads yet we see several who wanted their kids but utah kidnapped them. i think utah and a act of love adoption agency should be paying millions to those fathers and they need to try to get ahold of the fathers first before assuming they give up their rights but then again why do that when they can legally kidnap babies and get away with it. shame on utah lets start a huge media frenzy and put a end to this so called adoptiontinahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17108525461547738094noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-574300303008890516.post-48925147219568790302011-08-05T06:46:05.213-04:002011-08-05T06:46:05.213-04:00Why doesn't he just kidnap her. Virginia alrea...Why doesn't he just kidnap her. Virginia already ruled him custody and even thought they have jurisdiction Utah refused. So all he has to do is kidnap her and get back to Virginia. You can't kidnap a child that is legally yours so Virginia won't accept any charges against him and Utah police have no authority outside of their state and sense it's really a conflict between two state governments the feds are unlikely to get involved unless as mediation by the supreme court at which point they would most likely side with the father, and in the worst case charge him with breaking and entering which could be declared justifiable if they sided with him which they likely would.outlaw-emperorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08189350692438572278noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-574300303008890516.post-72279137673582910512011-07-29T20:24:58.591-04:002011-07-29T20:24:58.591-04:00Thanks, Anon, for letting us know of the upcoming ...Thanks, Anon, for letting us know of the upcoming Dateline show about John Wyatt's quest for custody of his daughter.<br /><br />I hope Dateline hammers the Utah officials, the adoption agency, and the adoptive parents. I also hope these scumbags don't get away with pulling the "only family she has ever known" nonsense.Jane Edwardshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05669797756463841249noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-574300303008890516.post-24650838890752118672011-07-29T18:01:17.719-04:002011-07-29T18:01:17.719-04:00From what I know of Dateline NBC if they are doing...From what I know of Dateline NBC if they are doing a show on this then it should be favorable to our side. This could be a major coup for us and will bring this issue to a national forum whereas right now it seems to be only local. I only wish they had interviewed Lorraine and Jane as experts on the subject. Then we'd really have something to sing about :)Robinnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-574300303008890516.post-76225919892000104322011-07-29T08:35:39.193-04:002011-07-29T08:35:39.193-04:00Dateline NBC is doing a story on this and have giv...Dateline NBC is doing a story on this and have given John a tentative date of August 19. So far I've noticed the story only seems to have appeared in some local papers in Utah. I think there will be an astounding response when it goes national.<br />ClareAnonymousnoreply@blogger.com