tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-574300303008890516.post4588172311761550276..comments2024-03-27T20:48:39.389-04:00Comments on [Birth Mother] First Mother Forum: A Modern Handmaid's Tale: Duping a woman to have your babyLorraine Duskyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/18285341379272250245noreply@blogger.comBlogger18125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-574300303008890516.post-43999569675002698012012-10-28T16:38:25.477-04:002012-10-28T16:38:25.477-04:00Robin,
To add to what Lorraine wrote about the di...Robin,<br /><br />To add to what Lorraine wrote about the difference between being a surrogate for hire for a stranger and a surrogate for a relative to me is like the difference between selling a kidney to a stranger and donating one to a relative. The first is exploitative; the second is loving.Jane Edwardshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09715622112694146946noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-574300303008890516.post-64778828577426976362012-10-27T02:57:40.361-04:002012-10-27T02:57:40.361-04:00First and foremost, you are kidding right? Childr...First and foremost, you are kidding right? Children born into a world with only one bio-parent and a huge amount of idiocy surrounding them.... What part of this sounds healthy? And why would a woman agree to carry twins on the grounds that she get one of them - though they are not related to her in anyway? <br /><br />Where is this not sick and greedy?<br /><br />I have no issue with a relative carrying a child for someone (with an egg and sperm that are from the people that are raising the child). I just think that if you are going to do something that difficult (you still get all the lovely hormonal crap and attach to the baby), you need to be connected in a way that is more than a rental and med bills.<br /><br />People, this is sick.... truly.<br />Lorihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05815710859859029536noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-574300303008890516.post-40585330738817951572012-10-23T23:45:41.107-04:002012-10-23T23:45:41.107-04:00I am sure that both parties are talking to their a...I am sure that both parties are talking to their attorneys very frequently, they are in litigation. I doubt they have the appetite for additional litigation not connected to their child custody battle and if they did, I am sure their attorneys would advise them against it. Its better not to try the case in two courts. <br /><br />As for the truth or specifics in the case, we don't know what many of them really are. The only biological parent we know about is McMurrey. Under Florida law, Close appears to also be a legal parent. We don't know what they agreed to prior to the custody battle but people lie all the time in child custody cases.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-574300303008890516.post-19192616389231162332012-10-23T21:05:25.887-04:002012-10-23T21:05:25.887-04:00Apparently the Jef Probst show I am talking about ...Apparently the Jef Probst show I am talking about was on the 11th of October.<br /><br />and I am such a fan of Survivor.Lorraine Duskyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18285341379272250245noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-574300303008890516.post-54018297416368885122012-10-23T16:46:48.671-04:002012-10-23T16:46:48.671-04:00Hey Anon,
They can call attorneys all they want bu...Hey Anon,<br />They can call attorneys all they want but there's nothing wrong with what I wrote. Media reports do not show they attempted to adopt children from foster care. They spent several years planning and creating these babies, enough time to adopt foster children if they met eligibility criteria such as no criminal record, no substance abuse, and so on.<br /><br />If I'm wrong about anything I wrote, they can email me with specifics through this blog and I'll make a correction. Fellow blogger Lorraine and I pride ourselves on factual accuracy. And of course, they can post comments.<br /><br />Even if there is an error, it's unlikely that they could bring a successful lawsuit. The US Supreme Court ruled in the 1960's that the First Amendment to the US Constitution protects the media from libel suits absent malicious intent if the persons written about are public figures. These two have made themselves into public figures.Jane Edwardshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09715622112694146946noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-574300303008890516.post-57883082646821741222012-10-23T16:17:41.958-04:002012-10-23T16:17:41.958-04:00@Paige,
I appreciate your comment.
"Why shou...@Paige,<br />I appreciate your comment.<br /><br />"Why should people being manufactured by the fertility industry or who were purchased through the adoption industry be expected to think those thoughts?" <br /><br />I think it is because most people assume that if a child was given up for adoption, s/he was unwanted and would most likely have been aborted. I could not possibly have been more wanted by my natural mother. She had no interest in having an abortion. She wanted her child (moi). It was society who denied her the opportunity to raise me because she wasn't sanctioned by a man. Her love for me and desire to keep me had nothing whatsoever to do with her marital status. I think this is another reason for the closed adoption area. So that all of those PAPs wouldn't know how much most of the mothers really wanted their babies.Robinnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-574300303008890516.post-45706801035214116922012-10-23T14:42:15.745-04:002012-10-23T14:42:15.745-04:00I just want to scream. Now the Jeff Probst show is...I just want to scream. Now the Jeff Probst show is featuring a gay couple who are tormented by having to wait to find out if they can keep the baby...it's all about their pain, nothing about the mother's/ or the child's in the future.<br /> Lorraine Duskyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18285341379272250245noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-574300303008890516.post-68345054083552143272012-10-23T14:41:28.025-04:002012-10-23T14:41:28.025-04:00Oh sorry...I mean "a" gay couple; not th...Oh sorry...I mean "a" gay couple; not these two people.<br />Lorraine Duskyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18285341379272250245noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-574300303008890516.post-7467707334427648452012-10-23T13:36:13.009-04:002012-10-23T13:36:13.009-04:00This article is rather inflamatory. Although it st...This article is rather inflamatory. Although it sticts mostly to the facts, I can find no documents or statements to support the following:<br /><br />1. Neither McMurrey nor Close appear to have considered adopting a child who needed a home.<br /><br />2. Close wanted newborn children.<br /><br />Were I either Mr. McMurrey or Ms. Close and I read these statements, I'd be making a call to my attorney.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-574300303008890516.post-28299537878951736452012-10-23T13:19:16.200-04:002012-10-23T13:19:16.200-04:00When are they going to be on the Jeff Probst show ...When are they going to be on the Jeff Probst show and what is your source of information on the bully's claiming that this woman was a mere surrogate for their selfishness?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-574300303008890516.post-32473281398907109792012-10-22T20:41:26.909-04:002012-10-22T20:41:26.909-04:00Anyone that makes money from the birth of a child ...Anyone that makes money from the birth of a child whether it's an egg donor or the surrogate Is wrong. A child should not be a business venture to ANYONE not even the wealthy dad in this case.<br /><br />I don't consider the surrogate the mother. It's not her egg<br />she gave birth to another woman's baby. Like I have <br />heard from adopter's before "giving" birth does not make a woman a mother. It certainly does but only if it's her egg does it make her the mother.<br /><br /><br />Ps Twinkle I have heard those words too " get over it" <br />very sad one day these kids will want to know their mom. <br />Pathetic.<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-574300303008890516.post-86674620220707922952012-10-22T19:59:30.508-04:002012-10-22T19:59:30.508-04:00I think the entire "do you think they'd r...I think the entire "do you think they'd rather not be born" argument is ridiculous. People born in the natural way and raised by their rightful biological parents are never expected to be thankful they were born. I mean, I've just never thought to myself, "I am so grateful I wasn't aborted." I've also never thought the following: "I am so grateful my mother didn't miscarry me, I wasn't a still birth, I didn't die as an infant of a childhood disease, my dad didn't wear a condom and my mother was fertile after dinner and a movie!" Why should people being manufactured by the fertility industry or who were purchased through the adoption industry be expected to think those thoughts? <br /><br />It seems a very defensive reaction by people that couldn't get over their infertility and baby lust.Paigenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-574300303008890516.post-44624357474700213412012-10-22T18:36:57.960-04:002012-10-22T18:36:57.960-04:00Robin:
Jane will probably come in on this when sh...Robin:<br /><br />Jane will probably come in on this when she sees this comment, but I do not have a problem with a mother or a sister or someone closely related carrying a fetus (with the egg of the mother who will raise the child) to term. What we recognize is that as long as the technology exists it will be used. The genie is not going back in the bottle. Our problem lies with the purchasing of wombs, eggs, sperm, and the child not being biologically related to the parents who raise the child. Payment for such services ought to be outlawed; that certainly would end the transfer of ova, sperm cells, and embryos.Lorraine Duskyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18285341379272250245noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-574300303008890516.post-82520057997261517462012-10-22T17:39:54.021-04:002012-10-22T17:39:54.021-04:00"We at First Mother Forum do not have a probl..."We at First Mother Forum do not have a problem with gestational surrogacy provided by family members or close friends"<br /><br />Can you please explain further what your position is on this? Does it matter who the child is related to biologically? Also, sometimes a person who is a close friend at one time is not at another. A dispute over custody and which individuals are considered the parents of the baby can cause enough conflict to end a friendship (as in this case). This all seems like a slippery slope to me. Also, as usual I see that the focus is not about how the child so conceived is going to feel about all of this. It's only about the wants and desires of the adults.Robinnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-574300303008890516.post-931343074131339232012-10-22T14:36:53.169-04:002012-10-22T14:36:53.169-04:00So, does this mean that every woman that chooses t...So, does this mean that every woman that chooses to carry a child in her womb a "Greedy Maid?" How do you know whether or not these people did or did not consider adoption? Did she not adopt the donor eggs when she agreed to use them on the advice of her doctor, considering the best interest of the twins? Everyone is entitled to their interpretation of this situation. The real issue is whether a court should be asked to determine if she is the mother having given birth to them when the current laws of the state of Texas is clear that she is, or are they motherless. - DaraAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-574300303008890516.post-89083862850925474362012-10-22T13:35:39.281-04:002012-10-22T13:35:39.281-04:00Oh get over it ladies. As long as the technology e...Oh get over it ladies. As long as the technology exists to create babies, people will use it. And would the twins rather not be born? Of course not. AT LEAST according to what I read here, they will not be adopted.twinklenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-574300303008890516.post-23810122971004538612012-10-22T00:39:19.667-04:002012-10-22T00:39:19.667-04:00I am not even surprised, not anymore. I have seen...I am not even surprised, not anymore. I have seen a lot of crap in the last few decades. I see the greed on the faces of young women that have discovered that they can keep their lovely "girly" figures, and still have babies that they needed get to involved with... I have seen grown women beg others to live in pain just because they are unable to realize that sometimes you have to fulfill yourself in ways other than breeding.<br /><br />It is disturbing and pathetic.Lorihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05815710859859029536noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-574300303008890516.post-64701887793254052942012-10-21T18:12:43.980-04:002012-10-21T18:12:43.980-04:00I think this is an excellent analysis Jane and I a...I think this is an excellent analysis Jane and I agree with every word. All of the adults involved disgust me, and I feel immensely sorry for those poor twins. <br /><br />ElizabethAnonymousnoreply@blogger.com