tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-574300303008890516.post6325319206136605267..comments2024-03-27T20:48:39.389-04:00Comments on [Birth Mother] First Mother Forum: Baby Veronica: How Dusten Brown could prevail in battle over his daughterLorraine Duskyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/18285341379272250245noreply@blogger.comBlogger44125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-574300303008890516.post-75820851930023284262013-09-24T09:29:46.894-04:002013-09-24T09:29:46.894-04:00Deeply saddened by the news that Veronica has been...Deeply saddened by the news that Veronica has been returned to the Capobiancos. My heart goes out to her and her father and all of the Brown family.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-574300303008890516.post-79328603550947744002013-09-23T09:12:42.913-04:002013-09-23T09:12:42.913-04:00Good article on the matter here:
http://www.posta...Good article on the matter here:<br /><br />http://www.postandcourier.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20130921/PC16/130929823/1009/skeptics-of-veronica-desaray-cases-call-for-closer-look-at-private-adoptions-laws&source=RSSAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-574300303008890516.post-39520645817989757682013-09-20T08:14:08.404-04:002013-09-20T08:14:08.404-04:00I blame the adoption industry for the whole Veroni...I blame the adoption industry for the whole Veronica Brown fiasco. There is a lot of talk about prospective adoptive parent entitlement and arguments over who are the 'real' parents, but I think the issue is that the adoption industry has brainwashed Americans into believing that adoptive parents and biological parents are EQUAL. And they most certainly are not. That seems to be why the Capos have the deluded notion that they have just as much right to Veronica, as Dusten does, just because they 'want' her. People in other countries without such a pro-adoption mindset must be flabbergasted at watching what is so clearly an attempt at legalized kidnapping.<br /><br />As Justice Scalia said, the U.S. Constitution amplies protects a natural parent's right to raise his or her own child.<br /><br />Veronica is Home, in Oklahoma.Robinnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-574300303008890516.post-37070631158761371512013-09-15T17:46:02.622-04:002013-09-15T17:46:02.622-04:00Good news on the Indian adoption front. A judge in...Good news on the Indian adoption front. A judge in Oklahoma awarded custody of four month old Desaray to the Absentee Shawnee Tribe. She was born in OK to an Indian mother who placed her for adoption with a South Carolina couple against the objections of her non-Indian father. The attorney who handled the case, Ray Godwin, is the same one who handled Veronica's case.<br /><br />The tribe's attorney, Charles Trip, has called for the U. S. Department of Justice to investigate Godwin. We agree. <br /><br /><a href="http://www.lasvegassun.com/news/2013/sep/15/us-indian-child-adoption/" rel="nofollow">Okla. Custody Dispute</a>Jane Edwardshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09715622112694146946noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-574300303008890516.post-11975296589361149412013-09-13T20:18:09.017-04:002013-09-13T20:18:09.017-04:00
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/09/13/baby-ver...<br />http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/09/13/baby-veronica-christian-evangelicals_n_3916683.html?utm_hp_ref=religion<br /><br />Oh great, now GOD has become a lobbyist for adoption agencies. Lorraine Duskyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18285341379272250245noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-574300303008890516.post-8058966458542297372013-09-13T15:26:15.591-04:002013-09-13T15:26:15.591-04:00@Everyone,
Please contact the mayor of Charleston...@Everyone,<br /><br />Please contact the mayor of Charleston, SC regarding Miss Veronica and Baby Desirai. His name is The Honorable Joseph P. Riley. He can be reached at 843-577-6970 or by email at rileyj@charleston-sc.gov<br /><br />Let him know of your support for the natural fathers of these 2 children and investigating/closing the Nightlight Christian Adoption Agency. Let him know that South Carolina must not allow trafficking of Native American or any other children.Robinnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-574300303008890516.post-83287494788061475232013-09-13T09:05:55.832-04:002013-09-13T09:05:55.832-04:00'Baby Veronica' Case Gets Christian Evange...'Baby Veronica' Case Gets Christian Evangelical Groups Involved In Federal Indian Adoption Policies<br /><br />http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/09/13/baby-veronica-christian-evangelicals_n_3916683.html?utm_hp_ref=religion<br /><br />Is Melanie Duncan Capobianco related to Representative Jeff Duncan?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-574300303008890516.post-34428401766893277912013-09-13T05:08:21.590-04:002013-09-13T05:08:21.590-04:00Judge Roberts took pregnant women out of Ireland s...Judge Roberts took pregnant women out of Ireland so he could ignore the laws saying only irish can adopt irish babies. He should be in an irish prison not the supreme court " Chief Justice John Roberts who sided with four other justices isn't a disinterested jurist when it comes to adoption. He is an adoptive father and his acquisition of two children known to be Irish--via adopting them from a South American country--has raised a lot of questions. Irish law allows only people living in Ireland to adopt Irish children. They cannot be adopted internationally, as would have been the case--if not for whisking the birth mothers to a third country not bothered by prohibitions against adoption for foreigners."Paulanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-574300303008890516.post-10989578623716436522013-09-12T05:56:23.170-04:002013-09-12T05:56:23.170-04:00Yes, Jay lyer, it sounds like we're in complet...Yes, Jay lyer, it sounds like we're in complete agreement. I was taking the best interest line from the articles. <br /><br />I don't think the Cs will give up either and they should have, at 4 months. It would suck, it would hurt, but it would have been the right thing to do. Adoption shouldn't occur when there is a parent who wants to raise the child. Dmdezignshttp://www.dmdezigns.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-574300303008890516.post-76849551142707669582013-09-11T18:35:00.403-04:002013-09-11T18:35:00.403-04:00Jay Iyer wrote:"and they will force her to re...Jay Iyer wrote:"and they will force her to regard them as her parents."<br /><br />Imo, it is criminal what the C's are trying to do to Veronica. They think they can force her to love them. But they can't. Love can't be forced. When I see the love and happiness she has with her father, and paternal family, it is so natural, so real, so organic. I just don't see that happening with the Capobiancos. I can't wrap my head around how anyone could try to take a child away from that. Cruel, truly cruel.Robinnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-574300303008890516.post-4375083129598674292013-09-11T16:31:30.787-04:002013-09-11T16:31:30.787-04:00Hi Dmdezigns,
There is a lot out there about the ...Hi Dmdezigns,<br /><br />There is a lot out there about the Nightlight adoption agency that merits investigation - unfortunately that investigation would form the basis for a separate lawsuit (if it happens) and is unlikely to have any bearing on the current legal status of Veronica Brown's case. The Oklahoma Supreme Court can refuse to give "full faith and credit" to the South Carolina order of adoption if they find there is a jurisdictional problem, which I hope they do.<br /><br />As for the Vaselys, I purposely stuck to the facts and did not mention that they thought it would be in the child's best interests to return him to his biological family. I agree with you and don't believe their primary concern was the child's best interests. Rather, they were overwhelmed with their premature, biological infant and, based on what the child development specialist said, decided it would be too much to handle trying to get the "adopted" child to attach to them. They also didn't want more court fights. Regardless, I am glad of that outcome. <br /><br />I don't think the Capobiancos will ever return Veronica to her family (if they get her) - they have no other kids, they are obsessed with her, and they will force her to regard them as her parents.Jay Iyerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01592280612055255470noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-574300303008890516.post-85855064842129834832013-09-11T15:55:12.499-04:002013-09-11T15:55:12.499-04:00I do appreciate your clarity, Dmdezigns. :)I do appreciate your clarity, Dmdezigns. :)Lorraine Duskyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18285341379272250245noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-574300303008890516.post-66991963463449503532013-09-11T15:34:43.481-04:002013-09-11T15:34:43.481-04:00I sincerely hope that Dusten Brown is able to rais...I sincerely hope that Dusten Brown is able to raise his daughter. The adoption should be overturned based on the deceipt of the agency, the firstmom and the Cs in obtaining the child, but that's an argument for a different day.<br /><br />I wanted to comment too on the Nebraska case tha Jay Lyer linked to. As an AP, am I allowed to be skeptical here? I'm not sure I buy the best interests argument of the APs. They fought for 11 months to bring that boy home and only kept him for a few days. I think because he had bonded with his birthfamily that those few days were very rough for the family and since they had another child, it was easier to send him back than work through it. If they'd truly been concerned about his best interests, they wouldn't have fought it in court. I'm glad they didn't try to hold custody of him during the battle, but please, don't BS me with the now it's in his best interest. No, now it's hard because of the trauma, that's the real reason they sent him back. It was in his best interests to be with him mom, I'm just saying that's not the real reason they gave him back. Let's call a spade a spade here. <br />Dmdezignshttp://www.dmdezigns.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-574300303008890516.post-62257801160494589832013-09-10T21:31:18.909-04:002013-09-10T21:31:18.909-04:00That statement from the UN official is exactly wha...That statement from the UN official is exactly what you might expect someone in that particular to say. <br /><br />The more significant news in that article is that a lower court appears to have ordered the return of Veronica to South Carolina. That order appears to have been stayed pending appeal.<br /><br />BTW the Terry Achane case was very different to this one. In the first place, the father never surrendered any rights, secondly he was not only the biological father because he was married to the biological mother, he was indisputably the legal father of the child. <br /><br />What the adopters and biological mother did in that case was kidnap the child. They should have been charged with custodial interference and jailed. <br /><br /> Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-574300303008890516.post-70242960958174054222013-09-10T18:59:21.727-04:002013-09-10T18:59:21.727-04:00I thought what the South Carolina Supreme Court di...I thought what the South Carolina Supreme Court did was outrageous. I am glad someone from the UN is pointing out their complete lack of consideration of the fundamental right of a family to be together. At the very least it needs to be considered along with other factors in a best interests analysis.Jay Iyerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01592280612055255470noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-574300303008890516.post-55616893469809305822013-09-10T12:14:51.169-04:002013-09-10T12:14:51.169-04:00The above statement from a UN official makes the S...The above statement from a UN official makes the South Carolina court look worse than ever. Lorraine Duskyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18285341379272250245noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-574300303008890516.post-16582056416179763272013-09-10T12:06:03.077-04:002013-09-10T12:06:03.077-04:00UN official issues statement on Veronica.
http://...UN official issues statement on Veronica.<br /><br />http://www.tulsaworld.com/article.aspx/UN_official_issues_statement_on_Veronica/20130910_800_0_Drawin386289Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-574300303008890516.post-43983027995404672122013-09-10T00:25:46.564-04:002013-09-10T00:25:46.564-04:00This case has me on the edge of my seat with worry...This case has me on the edge of my seat with worry about the preservation of Veronica's family. So, instead of going to bed, I read a few more documents and it looks like Dusten Brown's lawyer has argued at the Oklahoma Supreme Court that there was a mistake of law back in 2009 and the adoption should never have gone through. The Oklahoma Supreme Court cannot consider additional facts, I don't think, but they surely can decide whether the law was correctly applied to the facts already in evidence. So maybe there is indeed another avenue besides "best interests" - but for two lower Oklahoma courts to be declared wrong would be surprising.Jay Iyerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01592280612055255470noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-574300303008890516.post-12983999026872358212013-09-09T22:38:25.121-04:002013-09-09T22:38:25.121-04:00Thanks Anon 9:46 pm, it looks like the grandmother...Thanks Anon 9:46 pm, it looks like the grandmother was happy with the terms of the settlement and did not want to continue a court battle.Jay Iyerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01592280612055255470noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-574300303008890516.post-24690406135303204272013-09-09T22:18:04.943-04:002013-09-09T22:18:04.943-04:00I picked this up from someone who seems to know wh...I picked this up from someone who seems to know what's what on the Tulsa World Facebook page: <br /><br />1. Nowata County - Capobiancos, seeking enforcement of a South Carolina state court judgement. The validity of the state court's action is disputed on a number of grounds.<br /><br />2. Sequoyah County - Separate action seeking to extradite Dusten Brown on a South Carolina warrant based on the above case.<br /><br />3. Cherokee County - What appears to be a separate state court custody/adoption case. We don't know much, though, because all records have been sealed. The guardian ad litem for Veronica Brown, attorney Angel Smith, was appointed by a judge from this jurisdiction.<br /><br />4. Cherokee Nation - Tribal court custody/adoption case. The Cherokee Nation would have been the court of original jurisdiction had the ICWA been followed.<br /><br />5. South Carolina - A state court here finalized Veronica Brown's adoption shortly after the Supreme Court's "Adoptive Couple v Baby Girl" decision. While the U.S. Supreme Court ruled on one specific point regarding ICWA, there remain a number of other unresolved issues.<br /><br />There may be other cases pending in other locations, as well. Family court records are often sealed, and in the Cherokee County case even previously available information has since been redacted from the records. The Nowata County hearing this morning appears to have not been on regular dockets there, with the public finding out about it via second-hand sources.Lorraine Duskyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18285341379272250245noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-574300303008890516.post-52972424486637523922013-09-09T21:46:41.969-04:002013-09-09T21:46:41.969-04:00Jay Iyer, the grandmother did not get custody in t...Jay Iyer, the grandmother did not get custody in the case because the case was settled and the settlement gave custody to Stacey Doss but the adoption was not to be finalized.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-574300303008890516.post-16343257106372627402013-09-09T21:25:04.951-04:002013-09-09T21:25:04.951-04:00lucrezaborgia, that was an astute observation. Un...lucrezaborgia, that was an astute observation. Unfortunately, at this stage I think Dusten Brown's shot at victory rests on a best interests analysis, unless new facts are presented in evidence. Maybe there will be other grounds too, like taking a second look (with additional facts) at the circumstances of the adoption. I'll try to be positive like Lorraine and Robin!Jay Iyerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01592280612055255470noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-574300303008890516.post-25105867961513487252013-09-09T21:05:59.057-04:002013-09-09T21:05:59.057-04:00lucrezaborgia:
What you point out about "bes...lucrezaborgia:<br /><br />What you point out about "best interests" is so true, and why we have not trumpeted that here previously. Usually the adoptive parents have the child while the case drags on and on and on and on...and then, it is often too late. <br /><br />If Brown wins on that point, this case will not change adoption law. But he is becoming a champion for all fathers who want to raise their children when the mothers do not.Lorraine Duskyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18285341379272250245noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-574300303008890516.post-85488171419927039112013-09-09T20:44:40.505-04:002013-09-09T20:44:40.505-04:00"Apparently, as always, Maynard is on trend.&..."Apparently, as always, Maynard is on trend."<br />Before Maynard, there was Anita Tidaldi. Jane wrote about it.<br /><br />http://www.firstmotherforum.com/2009/09/returning-child-it-happens-more-than.html<br /><br />Good that this horrific practice is finally getting major coverage.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-574300303008890516.post-66320233306298117382013-09-09T20:10:31.460-04:002013-09-09T20:10:31.460-04:00While I understand that we all want Dusten to keep...While I understand that we all want Dusten to keep Veronica, let's not celebrate if he wins on the grounds of best interests alone as that has been used to keep children away from biological parents. lucrezaborgiahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12301770958254113165noreply@blogger.com