tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-574300303008890516.post6401834512266235497..comments2024-03-27T20:48:39.389-04:00Comments on [Birth Mother] First Mother Forum: Cultivating a Culture of AdoptionLorraine Duskyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/18285341379272250245noreply@blogger.comBlogger29125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-574300303008890516.post-87337043265993484732011-06-18T07:19:09.704-04:002011-06-18T07:19:09.704-04:00Damn, that is one sick comic book! Nobody could ma...Damn, that is one sick comic book! Nobody could make this stuff up." "Monster Mohel"?? Where is Mel Brooks when you need him?maryannenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-574300303008890516.post-27484405191308162532011-06-17T07:18:59.848-04:002011-06-17T07:18:59.848-04:00I am just wondering whether that culture of adopti...I am just wondering whether that culture of adoption may have already be about universal in some parts of the USA.<br /> <br />In Foreskin Man, the political comic concerned with the circumcision issue in San Francisco and there abouts, it is of course assumed that circumcision itself is a bad thing.<br /><br />That is its message, but just because a baby is threatened by his bad father in #2, not by his caring mother, a) the hero kidnaps the baby, b) breaks all contact between mother and child, c)cowardly leaves the mother with a head wound in the power of the bad daddy, d) decides to let the child grow up with some sort of motor gang of Hipies, far removed from his original Jewish heritage. <br /><br />And he is supposed to be the hero! Is the entire adoption culture, so accepted that the creator ofthe comic fails to see that his "hero", behaves like a villain, thus harming his own case?<br /><br />(In case you are curious, both issues are online)Theodorehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14634057445114838262noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-574300303008890516.post-31619451275030790212011-06-16T19:56:42.402-04:002011-06-16T19:56:42.402-04:00Panem et circenses.Panem et circenses.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-574300303008890516.post-25152670144210414852011-06-16T16:31:07.827-04:002011-06-16T16:31:07.827-04:00Jane, "If God was so all fired up about adopt...Jane, "If God was so all fired up about adoption, you'd think He would have just found some boy to adopt instead of begetting Jesus. Clearly He thought a a bio son necessary to do His work."<br /><br />Jane, based on non-religious study of the text, I have to say that I am afraid God did just that, if we accept Mark as the original gospel,with it being older than the others. Matthew and Luke are both more or less the equivalents of an ABC-claiming that the adoptive father is the father, but if you study those stories a bit you see they do not fit with reality. [This is of course a view not very popular with the religious ones, but one thing is certain: Just as with many modern adoptees, the documentation about Jesus's ancestors is incomplete and contradicting itself.]Theodorehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14634057445114838262noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-574300303008890516.post-18515391269659094052011-06-16T10:34:05.193-04:002011-06-16T10:34:05.193-04:00Hey Jane!
Love this thread!
“women who conceive ...Hey Jane!<br /><br />Love this thread!<br /><br />“women who conceive children out of wedlock [are] just like us—sinners"<br /><br />No, we're not just like these individuals. We're not running around patting ourselves on the back for being better than everyone else. Pride.....now there's a sin for ya!Jane Karrnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-574300303008890516.post-78340899549586600282011-06-15T18:33:44.113-04:002011-06-15T18:33:44.113-04:00Sinner Stephanie here....
This sinner lost her f...Sinner Stephanie here.... <br /><br />This sinner lost her first born son to a woman that actually said that god allowed the conception of my child for her and her husband. That woman and anyone else who believes that NONSENSE is deluded.<br /><br />That just goes to show you how brainwashed I was as a young, vulnerable, scared woman faced with an unplanned pregnancy. <br /><br />I have said this a probably a hundred times and will probably say it hundreds more... There is NO god whom allows adopters to gain, while the natural family must suffer for the rest of their lives. If there was, he or whatever it is is one sick, twisted, convoluted supernatural being.PhoenixRisinghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07655924058370540037noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-574300303008890516.post-8984616645690759182011-06-14T19:45:26.706-04:002011-06-14T19:45:26.706-04:00Do people who adopt ever speak to adult adoptees? ...Do people who adopt ever speak to adult adoptees? It should be required.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-574300303008890516.post-83716652242832722042011-06-14T15:03:49.652-04:002011-06-14T15:03:49.652-04:00Yes, the PCA generally supports all things adoptio...Yes, the PCA generally supports all things adoption. I believe that Bethany Christian Services is PCA-based.<br /><br />I was adopted through Bethany and raised PCA. "Unwedmotherhood" is still seen as very shameful in the church. One young couple was made to apologize to church leaders when they had sex and got pregnant without being married recently in my old church's congregation. Sex is sin, pregnancy outside of marriage is unthinkable, and adoption is a redemptive act.<br /><br />You can only imagine how that made me feel hearing all of that growing up in the PCA church, as an adoptee.<br /><br />I am now a Christian Universalist and a member of a PCUSA church (Presbyterian Church of America) now. While you will hear the occasional support for adoption from the PCUSA pulpit, overall they are much more concerned with and dedicated to social justice and providing people with support. They also have officially resolved to be in support of Adoptee Rights (although I am not aware of their General Assembly being active in the movement).<br /><br />PCUSA, OPC, RPC, PCA...there are a lot of Presby variationsThe Declassified Adopteehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16726376584015902627noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-574300303008890516.post-86936140836492151892011-06-14T13:25:13.803-04:002011-06-14T13:25:13.803-04:00Lorraine,
Hope therapy is going well. You have al...Lorraine, <br />Hope therapy is going well. You have all the good blood vibes I as a sinner can send.:)<br /><br />Janettryingtohealnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-574300303008890516.post-38978240920837359622011-06-14T13:23:15.839-04:002011-06-14T13:23:15.839-04:00Ever wonder if Mary (mother of Jesus) didn't p...Ever wonder if Mary (mother of Jesus) didn't pull off the greatest story ever in order to keep her son and not have people think she was a "bad girl"? Hmmmmtryingtohealnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-574300303008890516.post-5522060239800105102011-06-14T12:48:01.540-04:002011-06-14T12:48:01.540-04:00A reminder of why I don't practice ANY religio...A reminder of why I don't practice ANY religion.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-574300303008890516.post-47559735274318169622011-06-13T20:39:36.040-04:002011-06-13T20:39:36.040-04:00"My take on Ann Coulter is unprintable."..."My take on Ann Coulter is unprintable."<br /><br />ROTFLMAO :)Robinnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-574300303008890516.post-36463649366628081012011-06-13T20:04:37.993-04:002011-06-13T20:04:37.993-04:00There are several branches of the Presbyterian Chu...There are several branches of the Presbyterian Church. The larger and more liberal one has issued a statement in favor of adoptee rights, thanks to Pam Hasegawa, adoptee and activist who is also very involved in her local Presbyterian Church and also worldwide mission and help for the poor in other countries like the Asian Rural Institute that helps farmers from third world countries learn better sustainable agriculture methods. Most Presbyterians, probably what you were raised, Jane, are fairly liberal and mainstream Protestant, not Evangelical. <br /><br />But there are splinter groups like the Orthodox Presbyterian Church that is ultra-conservative and heavily Calvinist. That may be the group that is pushing adoption as soul-saving. The local one here won't even join in any ecumenical events that the other Catholic, Protestant and Eastern churches regularly hold, because they consider all others damned.maryannenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-574300303008890516.post-45369216159167787922011-06-13T20:02:08.256-04:002011-06-13T20:02:08.256-04:00My take on Ann Coulter is unprintable.My take on Ann Coulter is unprintable.Jane Edwardshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05669797756463841249noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-574300303008890516.post-61151046922513842932011-06-13T18:57:34.013-04:002011-06-13T18:57:34.013-04:00No Cully, righteous, she is used to the LDS. They ...No Cully, righteous, she is used to the LDS. They aren't that good in the "We are ALL sinners"-stuff.Theodorehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14634057445114838262noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-574300303008890516.post-38237440123575751742011-06-13T18:54:12.177-04:002011-06-13T18:54:12.177-04:00So now adoptees are compared to chimps? What next!...So now adoptees are compared to chimps? What next!? That comment offends me and speaking of offensive comments I'd love to hear Jane and Lorraine's take on Ann Coulter's latest, "If I found out my child was gay I'd tell him he's adopted." Aargh!<br /><br />But on a more positive note, I wish you a very happy birthday, Lorraine :)Robinnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-574300303008890516.post-89659222268547502162011-06-13T17:53:15.380-04:002011-06-13T17:53:15.380-04:00This comment has been removed by the author.PhoenixRisinghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07655924058370540037noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-574300303008890516.post-28776812215733412312011-06-13T17:40:58.421-04:002011-06-13T17:40:58.421-04:00Sinner M... I think you made a typo... "I don...Sinner M... I think you made a typo... "I don't know why we sinful first mothers can't seem to get it through our thick skulls that we deserve the treatment we have received from our more righteous fellow human beings." Didn't you mean *self-righteous*?? ;-)CullyRaynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-574300303008890516.post-6374700745192701812011-06-13T17:29:10.892-04:002011-06-13T17:29:10.892-04:00Have a wonderful birthday Lorraine!Have a wonderful birthday Lorraine!joyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15658928829424953809noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-574300303008890516.post-84805034444993402802011-06-13T15:35:55.844-04:002011-06-13T15:35:55.844-04:00maybe:
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EVERYONE NEEDS a laugh today...maybe:<br /><br />;)<br /><br />EVERYONE NEEDS a laugh today...Lorraine Duskyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18285341379272250245noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-574300303008890516.post-6660964894894575232011-06-13T15:24:36.047-04:002011-06-13T15:24:36.047-04:00This is from Ansley who posted it on Face Book via...This is from Ansley who posted it on Face Book via phone but isn't able to post it on the blog. <br /><br />Ansley wrote: "Lol at the monkey business quote! I am a Christian and I have a problem with the 'adopt someone because He adopted us' rhetoric for one reason: we are not God. We don't have the omniscient wisdom of a God who knows every detail of his children's stories. Earthly adoption is much unlike adoption by God- which is about redemption- not retrieval. If Christians who adopt are doing God's work, then are mothers who relinquish doing Satan's work (since God is adopting us out of the world- Satan's domain)? See, it just doesn't add up."Jane Edwardshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05669797756463841249noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-574300303008890516.post-57957079186142158832011-06-13T15:14:20.178-04:002011-06-13T15:14:20.178-04:00Yes, I am a sinner. Now if only I could get laid ...Yes, I am a sinner. Now if only I could get laid once in a while...maybehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07067284504038707207noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-574300303008890516.post-27731429251253925532011-06-13T14:38:36.749-04:002011-06-13T14:38:36.749-04:00Jane--
The perfect retort!
Why didn't I cha...Jane--<br /><br />The perfect retort! <br /><br />Why didn't I channel you, lady of quick quips? I am still feeling put out with myself, and it's my damn birthday!Lorraine Duskyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18285341379272250245noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-574300303008890516.post-42167075696152387802011-06-13T13:31:27.110-04:002011-06-13T13:31:27.110-04:00Oh, that chimp thing, well, biologically seen the ...Oh, that chimp thing, well, biologically seen the difference between Pan and Homo is very small, and Homo sapiens is the least dangerous species in that combined group as an individual.<br /><br />I see nothing offensive in that. It is a correct and sarcastic description of the way many PAPs and people keeping HIGHLY dangerous animals think.Theodorehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14634057445114838262noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-574300303008890516.post-74186478472448510362011-06-13T13:24:05.784-04:002011-06-13T13:24:05.784-04:00“women who conceive children out of wedlock [are] ...“women who conceive children out of wedlock [are] just like us—sinners—although those who choose to give birth to the baby and allow a couple to adopt are perhaps more courageous"<br /><br />@Jane, If you are used to Calvinism, this is sweetly written, they admit that THEY ARE SINNERS, we are all sinners, aren't we? I am just wondering, what are women who conceive children out of wedlock, choose to bring them forth in sorrow (better pain than being coerced to sign something terrible in a drugged state) and accept the full yoke of motherhood? Certainly more courageous? Yes, yokes are usually for a pair, that can be solved too.<br /><br />Mimicing?That does not work that way, you see, I admit that if you are only talking about adopting underage prostitutes, gangmembers, pickpockets and such, it would work. But babies have not been around long enough to do lots of sins, so offering unconditional love and marriage to some deeply fallen, promiscuous woman, that would be mimicing. Comparing yourself to a baby, my goodness, such types cannot even declare themselves a sinner with conviction. <br /><br />M, you are forgetting something, this are Presbyterians, they are not righteous, they are sinners too, just like us. Isn't it cute?Theodorehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14634057445114838262noreply@blogger.com