tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-574300303008890516.post7458351635657651590..comments2024-03-27T20:48:39.389-04:00Comments on [Birth Mother] First Mother Forum: The GOP stand on abortion is hollow at the center Lorraine Duskyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/18285341379272250245noreply@blogger.comBlogger16125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-574300303008890516.post-24922017766901386572012-10-26T16:19:09.095-04:002012-10-26T16:19:09.095-04:00Maryanne: Brilliant!
I just left a comment there...Maryanne: Brilliant! <br /><br />I just left a comment there. <br />I may sneak in a short blog based on it. <br />Lorraine Duskyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18285341379272250245noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-574300303008890516.post-87127850495597983882012-10-26T12:08:49.171-04:002012-10-26T12:08:49.171-04:00http://whatever.scalzi.com/2012/10/25/a-fan-letter...http://whatever.scalzi.com/2012/10/25/a-fan-letter-to-certain-conservative-politicians/<br /><br />Here is a scathing satirical letter composed from the point of view of a rapist thanking conservative politicians for helping him out. NOT A REAL RAPIST, this is satire. At its cynical finest and well deserved by GOP blowhards.maryannenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-574300303008890516.post-71916632438853589012012-10-21T14:27:41.369-04:002012-10-21T14:27:41.369-04:00Why do people who use government handouts vote aga...Why do people who use government handouts vote against the candidate who would give them the help they need? It's crazy but they do it. <br /><br /> I wish we could expose the pro-life movement for what it is: pro-birth. After that, you're on your own, and BTW, there is such a nice couple who would like to have your baby. <br /><br />For the record, given the grief at the time of my daughter's birth, and the grief of giving her up, and then joy of reuniting followed by grief of having her push me away, and the grief of knowing her screwed up life, and throw in never feeling I should have another child, I am sorry I did not have an abortion. <br /><br />Maybe I would have had a child I could have kept, someone who would be less screwed up.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-574300303008890516.post-13230915028336089022012-10-20T14:18:09.732-04:002012-10-20T14:18:09.732-04:00Actually the word is "love" but even tho...Actually the word is "love" but even though I like being corny a lot of people don't so I'll shut up I'm outta here for awhile Good luck to allAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-574300303008890516.post-80848779581886560062012-10-20T14:09:46.144-04:002012-10-20T14:09:46.144-04:00AnonymousOct19 9:03 andRobin 9:37 I am happy I had...AnonymousOct19 9:03 andRobin 9:37 I am happy I had my baby and sorry beyond words that I gave him up This is the only place I've heard firstmothers say they wish they had an abortion I also know what it's like to be pushed beyond my limits If I hadn't been trained to be pro-life by my family and religion, I wouldn't be here now The details are better left unsaid, but when I was overwhelmed with negative emotions (fear,anxiety and anger at my son's father, sleeping in my car for a few days and not able to think I had to reach for something to pull me through and it all came down to one word"life" and my Dad's words "Being is better than non-being" Laugh all you want but I wish I had been aware of benefits -welfare and medicaid sooner Where I came from and with parents who grew up during the Depression, "relief" as they called it was to be avoided at all costs I've since changed my mind It's bad enough to have a lot of desperate people but desperate and hungry is far worse Things have changed for the better and I still shake sometimes when I think about(not too often) how close I cameAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-574300303008890516.post-37286468688687037392012-10-20T13:22:02.909-04:002012-10-20T13:22:02.909-04:00Another problem with the republican party, is that...Another problem with the republican party, is that they want to take away welfare, food stamps, and government housing from families. To the point that everyone who is poor, may have to surrender their child for adoption. People can't seem to think of the consequences of all of this and just parrot everything the media tells them. I know one girl right now, who will only vote for the candidate who is only pro-life and nothing else matters to her. And she herself is raising her child on welfare, government housing and food stamps etc. She doesn't seem to think she'll lose all of that. Or it could be that her child is to old to adopt now and doesn't care what happens to anyone else. As long as she got take advantage of the system when it was there, that could be all that matters to her. But who's to say she still can't have her child taken from her, if she loses all of that and ends up out on the streets.Moonstarnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-574300303008890516.post-31563063453057811712012-10-19T09:37:06.466-04:002012-10-19T09:37:06.466-04:00@Anon 9:03,
Are you sorry that you didn't have...@Anon 9:03,<br />Are you sorry that you didn't have an abortion or are you sorry that you didn't keep your child?Robinnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-574300303008890516.post-3113387335341003562012-10-19T09:03:53.814-04:002012-10-19T09:03:53.814-04:00I am going to say it here because this is somethin...I am going to say it here because this is something that we sometimes admit to each other but rarely. I am sorry that I did not have an abortion. The grief that giving up my child caused, even after reunion, makes me feel this way. She found me, now she won't talk to me. I often wonder if I would have had other children. I had one, but I don't have a daughter.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-574300303008890516.post-80830258269576390882012-10-17T15:56:41.778-04:002012-10-17T15:56:41.778-04:00I will always be for safe legal abortions the alte...I will always be for safe legal abortions the alternative is to horrible to imagine. <br /><br />I do think that the timing to go after Roe vs Wade is suspect - seeing it has always been a plank of the Republican party but yet they waited until now - a time when those Doctors who had to do their best to patch up women after an illegal abortions aren't around anymore to speak to the horrors they dealt with.<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-574300303008890516.post-31305515727357829532012-10-17T11:22:23.810-04:002012-10-17T11:22:23.810-04:00It is true, the name we give our children before t...It is true, the name we give our children before they are adopted is had to erase. I so commend the people who adopt and keep the name the first mother gave the child; I know they are truly trying to do the right thing by everybody. <br /><br />I did not name my daughter but I would have named her Sarah. I do not know what is on the OBC and I assume I will never know. I was so freaked out about keeping the birth secret and out of the papers, etc., that I am not even sure that my real name is on the OBC. Yes, that's how paranoid I was. I doubt she ever would have been able to find me. <br /><br /><br />Lorraine Duskyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18285341379272250245noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-574300303008890516.post-26846049163215718882012-10-17T10:21:37.143-04:002012-10-17T10:21:37.143-04:00The republicans stance on abortion has always conf...The republicans stance on abortion has always confused me. For all of their "less government" platform, they have no problem subjecting more government into our personal lives. It makes it very apparent how their religious views are guiding their policy making in these areas. <br />For what it's worth, we have always loved Olivia on Law and Order. So much so that my daughter named her relinquished daughter after her. Her adopters changed her name, but to us she will always be "Olivia".Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07165737918653065179noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-574300303008890516.post-48736254866148826222012-10-17T09:20:16.157-04:002012-10-17T09:20:16.157-04:00If you live in state where the nearest abortionist...If you live in state where the nearest abortionist is in the next state, and it requires an overnight stay, and an ultra sound, and you are seventeen and you need your father's signature and you know he will beat the bejeezus out of you if he discovers you are pregnant...Roe v. Wade does not have to be repealed to make abortion impossible for you to get.<br /><br />Robin, you are right, I did not cover that aspect of the impregnation strongly enough, I merely hint at it in the third or fourth graph; but I was trying to keep the post from not getting too long; later this morning, I'll go back and include a fix. Lorraine Duskyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18285341379272250245noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-574300303008890516.post-15971238175780565652012-10-17T08:19:17.229-04:002012-10-17T08:19:17.229-04:00I think you are missing a key point in this post. ...I think you are missing a key point in this post. If a woman is raped or a victim of incest, she had no say. When a woman has consensual sex, even if she is using birth control, she knows that she is risking a pregnancy. The pro-life people who make exceptions for rape, incest, life/health of the mother, believe that women need to take responsibility for their actions but should not necessarily be 'punished' further for being a crime victim.<br /><br />Many on the pro-life side don't support any exceptions at all. I think politicians support the exceptions because it could be too hard to get elected otherwise. <br /><br />I do wonder though how this would work. Do women have to somehow prove they were raped? Does there have to be a police record on file? A hospital visit? Or is her word good enough.Robinnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-574300303008890516.post-41622319367430711972012-10-17T08:17:21.567-04:002012-10-17T08:17:21.567-04:00Just to clarify, I think that the Catholic stand o...Just to clarify, I think that the Catholic stand on not wanting to pay for contraceptive health care for its employees is appalling, disgusting, any other word you want to use.<br /><br />Mormons of course are a whole other ballgame with a theology too convoluted and bizarre to even begin to understand. I would think they would be for assisted reproduction to get as many spirit children waiting in heaven get born into good Mormon families, by whatever means.<br /><br />And I would never vote for Romney and Ryan for numerous reasons, including their stand on universal health care which every other civilized country already has. As to abortion, I do not think Roe v. Wade will ever be repealed, and that candidates who come out with anti-abortion as part of their platform are just cynically pandering to the the one-issue voters on the Religious Right, without any intention or power to really do anything about that issue but spew hot air.maryannenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-574300303008890516.post-48840584861056622642012-10-17T08:04:19.943-04:002012-10-17T08:04:19.943-04:00You're right, Maryanne, of course about the Ca...You're right, Maryanne, of course about the Catholic church being against assisted reproduction, but you don't have a Catholic candidate being against abortion as a proscription for everybody, or trying to exclude birth control from the insurance policies of any Catholic organization, which is what the bishops are arguing for. In many cases, telling the woman who works in the cafeteria or the man who cleans bathrooms simply to get another job doesn't work because in many areas, the hospital is the Catholic hospital, and it is the largest employer around. There is "other job." <br /><br />Yet we have Republican candidates against abortion while ignoring all those dead "souls" that simply go down the drain at fertility centers or are destroyed however they are. While they turn a blind eye to that, abortion in their scheme is not permitted no matter how early. The wealthy will always have access to abortion, however. <br /><br />What the Romney-Ryan ticket says is hypercritical. They say one thing for all but deal with their own fertility issues quite differently, even if it means getting rid of all those embryos in private. You can say it is different to throw out embryos, but if "life" was created, the difference is a matter of convenience.Lorraine Duskyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18285341379272250245noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-574300303008890516.post-7028740500841926842012-10-17T07:37:50.208-04:002012-10-17T07:37:50.208-04:00For the record, the Catholic Church is also oppose...For the record, the Catholic Church is also opposed to in vitro fertilization, egg and sperm donation, surrogacy, and other "artificial" means of creating life, as well as being opposed to the death penalty and euthanasia. No exceptions for rape, incest, or saving the mother's life either. So their stand is morally consistent, if harsh in the real world, given that they also still oppose contraception as well. And of course, practicing Catholics mostly ignore these prohibitions when it comes to real life choices.<br /><br />You are quite right that the Catholic laity does not go along with this extreme stand, especially on birth control, some assisted reproduction, and the death penalty. There are many other official policies of the Church that are way out of line with the laity, and they are losing members and support in droves. Need I mention the pedophile scandal and financial mismanagement? Rome and the Bishops are way out of touch with Catholics in the Western World. Ireland has the morning-after pill available without prescription, although they do not have legal abortion.<br /><br />Much as I can't stand the Republican stand on most things,I can't really say that the idea of abortion exceptions for rape and incest are so hypocritical. I am pro-choice, but with the hope that abortions be done early, that birth control be freely available to all (what cuts down the number of abortions? Free birth control!)and that the choice be taken seriously as the taking of a life, but for good reason and as the lesser evil. Lives are taken in battle, and by the state. I also believer personally in choice about death for the hopelessly terminally ill and suffering, but this too is very complex and only to be decided by the person and family.<br /><br />I have to say that for myself much as the thought of abortion is repulsive, I think I would go that route if I had been raped. Incest, no question at all. I do not feel that having given up a child enters into my views on this subject, because I never considered abortion with any of five pregnancies, one of which sadly ended in early miscarriage, which I do grieve, but no longer grieve my living son because I know him. This is all just my personal view, not a prescription for how others should think or feel.maryannenoreply@blogger.com