tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-574300303008890516.post1808395954116839584..comments2024-03-27T20:48:39.389-04:00Comments on [Birth Mother] First Mother Forum: Illegal Immigrant Fights for Custody of Young SonLorraine Duskyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/18285341379272250245noreply@blogger.comBlogger16125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-574300303008890516.post-75513900250764965252012-03-06T06:17:24.593-05:002012-03-06T06:17:24.593-05:00It’s good to see everyone else commenting lol!It’s good to see everyone else commenting lol!Yang Brandhttp://www.carrisahealthservices.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-574300303008890516.post-86666276783967997072012-03-05T17:15:13.123-05:002012-03-05T17:15:13.123-05:00I know that Encarnacion Bail Romero was here illeg...I know that Encarnacion Bail Romero was here illegally, but she came here not to cause problems, but simply to work, that's it. And now all she wants is her son and she'll happily go back to Guatemala. Before she might've not wanted to go back, but now I'm sure she'll be happy to go back with her son. Whether you are for or against illegal immmigration, I really want you to think about how you would feel if your kids got taken away from you all because you were trying to provide a better future for them. Would you be happy if somebody else adopted your kids and called them theirs when you never agreed to their adoption? This is simply about human rights. That is HER son. I don't understand how the Mosers can feel that what they did was fair. They are simply being selfish, they got the chance to be his foster parents and figured it would be easy to adopt him. They didn't care that they were breaking a loving mother from her child. They could have adopted other children who are in the foster care system or found someone who is pregnant and is WILLING to put her baby up for adoption. Instead, they chose to go to court so that they could keep him instead of handing him back to his birth mother when she got out of jail. And she was only in jail for being here illegally.. not for abusing her child, stealing, taking drugs, etc. But Seth Moser is a former drug addict, and who knows if he still does drugs..they might be saying he doesn't just so they can keep him. I hope and pray that CARLOS gets reunited with his birth mother. Yes it will be a difficult transition at first, but just like children who are adopted internationally, he also will adjust. And I think it is the best thing for him to be with her. Even though she doesn't have alot of money like the Mosers, she is a very loving mother who will work hard for her kids. I also believe if he stays with the Mosers, he will one day find out about what happened even if they do try to shield it. He obviously will realize he looks different from his parents, and even if they arent willing to tell him the whole truth about what happened, he may do some searching on his own to find out. And I think he will be very upset with them to find out what they did. I don't know, all I definitely know is what has happened is unfortunate and just plain wrong.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-574300303008890516.post-24669103676489818422012-03-04T04:26:07.457-05:002012-03-04T04:26:07.457-05:00What Bethany calls "Family Preservation"...What Bethany calls "Family Preservation" is just foster care outside the system, I guess they have diversified to ensure their own existence in case the family destroying adoption market comes crashing down.Theodorehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14634057445114838262noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-574300303008890516.post-90582857966234007272012-03-01T13:59:54.174-05:002012-03-01T13:59:54.174-05:00Anon 2 has provided a link to a press release by B...Anon 2 has provided a link to a press release by Bethany Christian Services about its partnership with former clients Catelynn and Tyler to promote adoption. Bethany calls itself "the nation's premier family preservation and adoption agency." Yuck!<br /><br />Appropriately, the article appears on a business site because that's what Bethany is a business -- a very profitable baby-snatching business.Jane Edwardshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05669797756463841249noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-574300303008890516.post-34768832337515564252012-03-01T13:52:31.049-05:002012-03-01T13:52:31.049-05:00Let me add to Anon's comment that the MO Sup C...Let me add to Anon's comment that the MO Sup Ct found Romero abandoned her son. In a four to three opinion, the Sup. Ct found that Romero made insufficient efforts to maintain contact while she was incarcerated which the majority found to constitute abandonment. However, Romero never had the opportunity to appear in court and her attorney, selected by the Mosers, did not offer evidence in her behalf to rebut the evidence or explain the circumstances. <br /><br />Since this was an involuntary termination case, Romero was entitled to a competent attorney at state expense which the trial judge should have made sure she had. It is only in voluntary adoptions that adoptive parents select and pay for the mother's attorney. A practice that should be changed. <br /><br />Three of the MO justices believed the evidence was so flimsy that no new trial was needed and Carlos should just have been returned to Romero.<br /><br />The real villain in this piece seems to be Laura Davenport, a teacher or social worker of some sort, whose meddling resulted in the child being placed with the Mosers for adoption rather than going into state care. Davenport, not Romero's relatives who were poor and uniformed, should have assumed the responsibility to notify state authorities. If that had occurred, the state would have been obligated to try to restore the family. <br /><br />If MO has a mandatory reporting law, it appears that Davenport violated it.Jane Edwardshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05669797756463841249noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-574300303008890516.post-47148511729922261652012-03-01T11:29:52.792-05:002012-03-01T11:29:52.792-05:00And the hits keep on coming:
http://www.thestreet...And the hits keep on coming:<br /><br />http://www.thestreet.com/story/11438704/1/nations-premier-family-preservation-and-adoption-agency-develops-partnership-with-catelynn-tyler-of-mtvs-16-and-pregnant-fame.htmlAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-574300303008890516.post-45910048782756885032012-03-01T06:57:32.151-05:002012-03-01T06:57:32.151-05:00This is a tragedy that never should have happened....This is a tragedy that never should have happened. At this point wouldn't some kind of mandated open adoption be more reasonable than returning the child to his mother? Maybe exact justice would not be served, but it seems that would be easiest for the child.<br /><br />I do not believe there are no bad effects in adopting a child of this age from another non-English speaking country and putting him into a foreign culture with strangers, no matter how much pro-adoption promoters might insist that is so. I feel it a bit dishonest for "our side" to insist there would be no bad effects for a child of 6 being returned to his natural mother and country. At this point, yes, they would be strangers as well, and there is no magic biological connection that can mediate that. Imagine being 6 yourself and sent to live with relatives you never met in a country whose language you do not know. We are talking about a human child with feelings here, not a stolen car!<br /><br />Either situation asks too much of the child in order to satisfy the needs of adults. I see it as a red flag that the mother insists on using the name she gave him rather than the name he knows, odious as it is (Jamison?? name a kid after a whiskey??) Still, it is who is now. It should be his choice eventually which name he prefers, not one more change forced on him.<br /><br />Again, this should never have happened and laws need to be in place to protect immigrants, legal or not, to keep this from happening again. But at this point there is no happy, easy resolution for this child unless the adoptive parents and natural mother can get over their ownership attitudes and work together for his good and comfort. Which they do not seem willing to do, so whatever the courts decide, the child loses, either the life he knows, or a chance to know his mother and biological and national heritage. There are no winners here.maryannenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-574300303008890516.post-35040639867691718952012-02-29T23:29:26.948-05:002012-02-29T23:29:26.948-05:00While many may not agree with all the actions the ...While many may not agree with all the actions the Mosers have taken, they have not (at least in relation to this case) committed any crimes or in fact done anything illegal. It is common for adoptive parents to pay for legal representation for the birthmother. <br /><br />This is not a typical contested adoption of course because the birthmother did not consent to the adoption. There is no doubt that the adoptive parents used the courts to "forcibly" take legal custody of the child. <br /><br />However, the majority opinion of the State Supreme court did find the child had been abandoned by his mother and there appears to be evidence of neglect prior to the birth mother's incarnation in the trial record.<br /><br />The mother's relatives probably should have handed the child over to the child services agency in that state but illegal aliens do not like to have contact with government officials.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-574300303008890516.post-10956967114329873682012-02-29T15:58:50.234-05:002012-02-29T15:58:50.234-05:00Jane, taking into account one of history's lar...Jane, taking into account one of history's largest accidental experiments with children being raised by strangers for a time for very good reasons, the Jewish children in hiding with goyim during the time of the Shoah, it is quite well possible that the children concerned may have been "damaged" somewhat, basically your common adoption related attachment and relating problems, still missing stuff and such.<br /><br />On the other hand, the parents they returned to were their fellow survivors of a nearly succeeded genocide, had less help with therapy, had often to take care of much more children and had to re-establish existence. And though the relationships with their parents were not always 100%, most if not all of those returned children grew up fine.<br /> <br />So, though scars are to be expected to some degree, there is no reason to expect that a child returned from (potential) adopters under much better circumstances, would do worse than the same child would if it had stayed with the adopters, rather the opposite.Theodorehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14634057445114838262noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-574300303008890516.post-34928667141599103002012-02-29T15:12:36.095-05:002012-02-29T15:12:36.095-05:00Anonymous,
This child did not need to be adopted,...Anonymous,<br /><br />This child did not need to be adopted, should not have been adopted..it was an illegal(morally anyway) adoption and amounts to a legally sanctioned kidnapping. This mother WAS not abusive, was not found to be unfit..except for being in this country illegally. Foster care it should have stayed.<br /><br />Not knowing the language is an issue? What about all <br />those children adopted from China, Russia, Guatelmala, they coped with not knowing the language....they went to mothers that were strangers to them, strangers in every way, no common biology or DNA. This child will be going back to his mother, his biology.<br /><br />It is not ok to take kids and adopt them out just soothers can have the experaince of adopting them. This child did NOT need adoption...maybe the parents did but that does not count...what counts is the childs needs.dpennoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-574300303008890516.post-77850118457705644782012-02-29T14:23:17.810-05:002012-02-29T14:23:17.810-05:00Anon 1
Read the stories of children returned to t...Anon 1<br /><br />Read the stories of children returned to their original families: Baby Richard, Baby Jessica, the recent Missouri case Theodore gave us a link to. These kids do just fine. Their parents are not strangers. They look like the child and often share interests and talents. <br /><br />It's the kids forced to stay with their adopters without having a chance to know their original parents who often end up with problems.Jane Edwardshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05669797756463841249noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-574300303008890516.post-25591786826905302062012-02-29T12:19:50.501-05:002012-02-29T12:19:50.501-05:00Anon,
As an adoptee who has been in reunion for a ...Anon,<br />As an adoptee who has been in reunion for a long time I can assure you that when I was reunited with my original mother for the first time she DID NOT feel like a stranger. Being with her felt like where I belonged, for the first time in my life. You do not know how the child will feel to be back with his mother. If he had been kidnapped as a baby and reunited with his original family this would not be something someone would say. Why is this argument acceptable in adoption?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-574300303008890516.post-55425557200370313192012-02-29T11:45:35.727-05:002012-02-29T11:45:35.727-05:00What about the child who has been with the Mosers-...What about the child who has been with the Mosers--is parents for all he knows--for all those years? <br /><br />The boy doesn't speak a word of Spanish. What about that? His mother is going to be a stranger to him.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-574300303008890516.post-59069785158056098202012-02-29T10:18:59.961-05:002012-02-29T10:18:59.961-05:00After reading that I need a shot of Jameson.
The ...After reading that I need a shot of Jameson.<br /><br />The Mosers are simply kidnappers.maybehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07067284504038707207noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-574300303008890516.post-3484469022468830402012-02-29T04:30:49.523-05:002012-02-29T04:30:49.523-05:00Sometimes the victims win:
http://fox4kc.com/201...Sometimes the victims win:<br /><br /><br />http://fox4kc.com/2012/02/21/parents-regain-custody-of-son-after-six-year-legal-battle/Theodorehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14634057445114838262noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-574300303008890516.post-84282706983553309692012-02-28T23:01:21.653-05:002012-02-28T23:01:21.653-05:00I have always contended that adoption is kin to sl...I have always contended that adoption is kin to slavery. To take a child because of parental immigration status is a horrific example of selling a child. The "parents" naming him an anglo name - that is sad and degrading to the Hispanic that he is. Not only will this child grow up thinking he is white until someone very unkindly makes sure he knows he isn't, but he will grow up thinking that his Hispanic heritage is some kind of negative or curse.<br /><br />This is yet another adoption horror.Lorihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05815710859859029536noreply@blogger.com