tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-574300303008890516.post3666512451909122371..comments2024-03-27T20:48:39.389-04:00Comments on [Birth Mother] First Mother Forum: What can you write about adoption? And what is off limits?Lorraine Duskyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/18285341379272250245noreply@blogger.comBlogger48125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-574300303008890516.post-65629184458195995092012-05-07T01:27:58.918-04:002012-05-07T01:27:58.918-04:00Hi Lorraine,
I read all of Dina's posts--the ...Hi Lorraine,<br /><br />I read all of Dina's posts--the original one, and those following up on the controversy of it. The criticism leveled at her (mostly from APs) was that she wrote that she would NOT let her daughter watch the video of her first mother. The child wanted to watch it over and over and the author felt that it was detrimental to her in some way. People were outraged that she was holding this video back from her.<br /><br />best wishes...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-574300303008890516.post-23084396702921453272012-04-09T09:35:39.908-04:002012-04-09T09:35:39.908-04:00Surely it's only fair to remember that both A....Surely it's only fair to remember that both A.M Homes and Sarah Saffian were found, and that those who do the searching may well be more prepared and ready for a reunion than the found person, who may need to do a lot more sifting of their emotions before being able to get a grasp on how they feel.<br /><br />Lorraine said, "The book itself would not have been the good read it was without her father's eloquent letters to Saffian, a fact nowhere noted by the ungracious author".<br />Saffian does acknowledge her father's eloquence, albeit indirectly, "I was bowled over by his expressiveness", she writes. Which may seem double-edged to some, but I think she deserves latitude for being overwhelmed by such fulsome sentiments as "finding you has left me feeling reborn, raw, full." And her liking for his description of himself as "openhearted" is far from ungracious.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-574300303008890516.post-72185828017330779932012-04-08T16:13:40.011-04:002012-04-08T16:13:40.011-04:00Did any of you read Mommie Dearest?
I have to sa...Did any of you read <b>Mommie Dearest? </b><br /><br />I have to say that I did and I enjoyed every horrible minute of it. that make qualify me as a slug, but so be it. <br /><br />That adoptee memoir certainly had a lot of ugly revelation. But what I really hate are memoirs that turn out to be lies through and through, such as James Frey's <i>A Million Little Pieces. </i> Others have been discovered to be fake before they get published.Lorraine Duskyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18285341379272250245noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-574300303008890516.post-63817118950761272382012-04-08T14:21:15.648-04:002012-04-08T14:21:15.648-04:00Sorry, Maryanne. I should have double-checked the ...Sorry, Maryanne. I should have double-checked the comments before quoting. It was Jane's mention I had in mind: "In addition to Joyce Maynard, Erma Bombeck, Jean Kerr, and other 50's "housewives" wrote freely and humorously about their hubby and children. Erma Bombeck's oldest child was adopted. Other popular writers used real children as templates for their fiction including Lewis Carroll, A. A. Milne, and James Barrie."<br /><br />I abhor and do not read exposes written for revenge, financial gain, or self aggrandizement. I applaud those written to educate and/or help others going through similar situations. Many of the adoption memoirs (and memoirs in general) I have read fall into the latter category.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-574300303008890516.post-30897645914295346842012-04-08T10:17:15.403-04:002012-04-08T10:17:15.403-04:00Denise wrote:
I think it was Maryanne who pointed ...Denise wrote:<br />I think it was Maryanne who pointed out that many writers use their parents, spouses, children, other relatives and friends as fodder for their stories, whether in serious or serious works. When it's about a traditional/biological family, this seems to go unnoticed, or at least un-protested. <br /><br />No, this was not what I said, and certainly not what I meant! I find it equally distasteful for biological parents with no connection to adoption to write memoirs that hurt and expose family members, and yes, this does get attacked and disapproved by others. Read some reviews of sleazy tell-all memoirs that have no connection to adoption, and you will see that they are not universally approved.It is not just the indiscretions of adoptive parents or birthparents in writing about their children and families that many people do not enjoy or find justified. The whole memoir genre is open to criticism, just like any other sort of book.<br /><br />What I did say is that this is a personal choice for each writer, but choices have consequences that can go beyond ourselves and what we perceive as "our truth". People write such memoirs for all kinds of motives, some good, to help others in similar circumstances, some not so good, to seek revenge or to point out the faults of other family members while minimizing their own. <br /><br />I am admittedly old-fashioned and would rather err on the side of less disclosure than too much. Hence, no blog, no memoir from me.maryannenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-574300303008890516.post-49358559784327526872012-04-07T23:50:21.999-04:002012-04-07T23:50:21.999-04:00Whoa Nelly! This is one hot post! I read it days a...Whoa Nelly! This is one hot post! I read it days ago and have been considering my comment... in the meantime, tons of comments posted and much more food for thought. Sorry to be late to the discussion.<br /><br />Although I didn't read Dina McQueen's original article, from what Lorraine reported of it I commend her honesty. How difficult it must be for an adoptive mom to see, understand and validate her child's obvious feelings of loss for the mother who gave birth to her! I would think that adoptive parents would be grateful for her insight, since many have probably experienced similar behaviors in their children. Also that acknowledging her daughter's feelings and trying to help her through it probably set them on a much healthier course than ignoring what it, believing that it wasn't important and would pass. <br /><br />Trust me, the strength of the birth connection makes first mothers as sad as it makes aparents. We all wish that adoption would solve everything, but it doesn't. Anyway you look at it, there is loss, on all sides.<br /><br />There were some comments about writers making a profit on their stories at the expense of their loved ones. Trust me, no one gets rich (or even makes back the time they've invested in writing) on essays or even a book. It's a labor of love, a desire to tell our stories and to help others that keeps us going.<br /><br />I think it was Maryanne who pointed out that many writers use their parents, spouses, children, other relatives and friends as fodder for their stories, whether in serious or serious works. When it's about a traditional/biological family, this seems to go unnoticed, or at least un-protested. Only when it involves adoptive families do some get upset. I wonder if there is some innate need to protect adoption as an institution that makes this off-limits.<br /><br />I appreciate any book that makes me think or teaches me something important. I was uncomfortable with Sarah Saffian's book, but I learned that not all adoptees want to reconnect or automatically love their families of origin. I learned of adoptee angst in Jean Strauss' and B.J. Lifton's books. I am not afraid to read differing experiences and opinions. It helps me deal with my own reunion.<br /><br />I also think that if a book (or essay) strikes a nerve, that's a good thing. It means you should pay attention, think about what you read and why it bothers you. Not just slam the door on it.<br /><br />I applaud Lorraine for writing "Birthmark" long before stories like hers were common. I'm sure you took lots of flak, Lo. You were a path blazer for many of us. To tell the truth, despite the criticism we would receive.<br /><br />My reunion memoir, Second-Chance Mother, is yet too new to have drawn attention. The feedback I've received, from mothers like me, adoptees, adoptive parents, and even those with no personal connection to adoption, has all been positive. I guess I should enjoy the calm before the storm! <br /><br />And by the way, everyone in the book is okay with what I wrote. It's the truth. Although it contains embarrassing portrayals of some, including myself, there is nothing purposefully unkind in it. Very open to interpretation.<br /><br />Thank you, Lo, for this opportunity to discuss the pros and cons of writing the truth.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-574300303008890516.post-80345513543850150772012-04-06T23:33:35.629-04:002012-04-06T23:33:35.629-04:00I am posting anonymously. I hate that. But if my...I am posting anonymously. I hate that. But if my daughter googles me I don't want her to find the post. We have to do what we have to do.<br />I used to have a family preservationist blog. As Lorraine stated, I felt that using my name on the blog would give it more power. I worked hard to only talk about myself and my beliefs. I never wrote about my daughter as an adult only once using her pre-adoption name.<br />After reading the last blog post I published that came down hard on infant adoption, my daughter e-mailed me a very emphatic message disagreeing with my position. I immediately took the blog down. Ugh, silenced once again.<br />I probably overreacted, however she didn't suggest I start writing again.<br />So, if I get my act together I'm going to start up an anonymous blog. Yuck! But it's better than nothing.<br />The way I see it, secrets and lies are what kept me from raising my daughter. My mother based the adoption on how well she thought her sister-in-law fared after placing her first son for adoption. After returning from the relinquishment, she went on to marry the babies father, my dad's brother. The couple went on to have eight more children and from the outside looked like a happy family. But my mother based her assessment looking at the woman's outsides. I'm confident my mother never spoke to my aunt. While she always had a smile on her face she also had a drink in her hand. By her 70's she had terrible dementia. Somehow, I don't think this secret, or loosing her first child, worked out too well for my beautiful aunt.<br />Growing up my mother told us the story without using my aunt and uncle's names. The secret was iron clad. It was used as an example of redemption from a terrible situation. My unwed motherhood was doomed before I ever slept with my college boyfriend.<br />So I guess I should get busy writing again. -Jane Doe-Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-574300303008890516.post-59828413039935819282012-04-06T22:00:40.573-04:002012-04-06T22:00:40.573-04:00Hi Lorraine,
Another great post. The adoption myth...Hi Lorraine,<br />Another great post. The adoption myth lives on!!!<br />What is it about adoptive parents that makes them so sacred? I often wonder that. I also wonder why it is STILL so hard to tell the truth (all the truth) about adoption. I guess because then fewer people would adopt or adoption might not have the sacred aura it does now. <br /><br />Recently, there was an issue of Real Simple or some magazine like that that I came across in a hospital waiting room. It was a May issue so there was a forum on best mother stories, something like why my mom's special. The story chosen was, not surprisingly to me, was by an adoptee who said that she was grateful because her mother (adoptive) had given her "everything." Sad, I thought. Her own natural mother was Korean and if any of you know the circumstances of Korean adoptions, it was unlikely to have been a choice in any sense of the word to place this child for adoption. What is it about the media that loves these adoption stories with the happy endings? I don't know and I sometimes think it is such an uphill battle balance things from the other side.<br /><br />Keep up your important work.<br /><br />AngelaAngela Wheelockhttp://sittingwithsorrow.typepad.com/sitting-with-sorrow/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-574300303008890516.post-58380749343535529832012-04-06T00:06:50.412-04:002012-04-06T00:06:50.412-04:00Thanks for reminding us of Shirley Jackson, Mrs. T...Thanks for reminding us of Shirley Jackson, Mrs. TarguinBiscuitbarrell.<br /><br />Jackson was also the author of one of the best short stories ever written, "The Lottery."Jane Edwardshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05669797756463841249noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-574300303008890516.post-78170203278472221282012-04-05T17:14:10.727-04:002012-04-05T17:14:10.727-04:00And don't forget Shirley Jackson, Jane, who no...And don't forget Shirley Jackson, Jane, who not only used her children's stories for "Life Among the Savages" and "Raising Demons," but bought them "story presents" when the articles sold.<br /><br />Excellent biography of Jackson is called "Private Demons," by Judy Oppenheimer.MrsTarquinBiscuitbarrelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00479830264284065679noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-574300303008890516.post-63540840750755859852012-04-05T17:00:25.313-04:002012-04-05T17:00:25.313-04:00This is Joyce Maynard's daughter's retrosp...This is Joyce Maynard's daughter's retrospective response to an article concerning her by her mother (published in the NY Times, with the daughter's permission). <br /><br />http://www.doublex.com/section/life/modern-love-revenge-joyce-maynards-daughter-gets-her-turn-speak?page=0,0Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-574300303008890516.post-66474374635003785292012-04-05T16:18:37.850-04:002012-04-05T16:18:37.850-04:00I see from google that Ms. Maynard is the one who ...I see from google that Ms. Maynard is the one who had an affair with reclusive writer J.D. Salinger years ago, then sold his letters and told all. Not a nice move, so what she has done with her family a grown bio daughter wrote a piece disputing how she had been depicted in print by her mother); and her mistaken adoption is no surprise. <br /><br />She sounds to me like a narcissist who uses everyone around her to advance her own agenda no matter who gets hurt. That is tragic for those Ethiopian girls, a fashion accessory that did not work out so she had to pass them on to someone else. Oh but don't worry, they are fine now (she says). Please save all your sympathy for poor Ms. Maynard, she would want it that way!<br /><br />No, Jane this sort of writing does not compare with Erma Bombeck and other fifties happy housewife lighthearted humor writers. This is a whole other level of exploitation and nastiness.<br /><br />Writers may feel compelled to write, but they do have a choice what they write about and how, and I find most family tell-alls ugly and hurtful, whether adoption related or not. I am thinking of a very ugly one involving people I knew slightly where a daughter outed her father as bisexual after his death, a respected and religious person who had actually done a great deal for gay rights and dignity without getting into his personal life. It was not as if he had been some hypocritical homophobic politician, but rather a private person from an older generation.<br /><br />The tone was all self-righteous sympathy on the surface, but the motive of revenge and shock to sell books underneath shone through. It dishonored the writer more than the subject. As these kinds of memoirs always do.maryannenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-574300303008890516.post-82042602487264407172012-04-05T14:39:03.158-04:002012-04-05T14:39:03.158-04:00In addition to Joyce Maynard, Erma Bombeck, Jean K...In addition to Joyce Maynard, Erma Bombeck, Jean Kerr, and other 50's "housewives" wrote freely and humorously about their hubby and children. Erma Bombeck's oldest child was adopted. Other popular writers used real children as templates for their fiction including Lewis Carroll, A. A. Milne, and James Barrie.<br /><br />I had a chance to read McQueen's piece and didn't see anything that should have offended anyone. If anything, I'd have dinged McQueen for being a little too self-congratulatory on "resolving" her daughter's issue. But at least McQueen had some understanding and didn't just tell the daughter to shut up and be grateful. <br /><br />I think McQueen's piece would be helpful to other adoptive families facing similar situations. Perhaps Maynard would have been able to cope with her Ethiopian daughters if she had been counseled beyond "take 'em home and love 'em."Jane Edwardshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05669797756463841249noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-574300303008890516.post-7294276363738290062012-04-05T13:29:38.896-04:002012-04-05T13:29:38.896-04:00Obviously my comment at McQueen's blog did not...Obviously my comment at McQueen's blog did not pass muster. I was very nice, but maybe a first mother is too close to the bone? Or what?Lorraine Duskyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18285341379272250245noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-574300303008890516.post-52923936606124986412012-04-05T12:03:10.138-04:002012-04-05T12:03:10.138-04:00There is a grand total of one comment at Dina McQu...There is a grand total of one comment at Dina McQueen's current entry at HuffPo, up from zero yesterday. I haven't seen yours, Lorraine.MrsTarquinBiscuitbarrelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00479830264284065679noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-574300303008890516.post-39487145484679876222012-04-05T11:41:59.628-04:002012-04-05T11:41:59.628-04:00I'm not familiar with Joyce Maynard, but I fou...I'm not familiar with Joyce Maynard, but I found her web site and all I can say is WOW. She brought home "her" daughters from Ethiopia and after 3 years sends them off to another family. WOWmaybehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07067284504038707207noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-574300303008890516.post-19872142376570095422012-04-05T11:10:53.779-04:002012-04-05T11:10:53.779-04:00I found the father's letters somewhat droning ...I found the father's letters somewhat droning and preachy actually. I skipped a lot of his part when I read. He seemed to have trouble respecting boundaries.<br />He spent a great portion of his letters telling her how she should feel. That's never good.<br />I also did not find the Saffian book particularly well written. So maybe she didn't make that connection because...well...because. And yes, it did sound like you were expecting her to be grateful and acknowledge her father's writing skills as being part of herself. But what if she just doesn't feel that way? Or perhaps she didn't feel the need to hit her readers over the head with it and let the writing speak for itself.<br />I did admire her honesty. She completely freaked out and documented it as such.<br />This is the thing, I don't think she felt that big of a connection or a desire to meet. I found a great deal of introspection in her book, just not toward her first parents. And maybe that ambivalence is how she actually felt. And I can see where that "infuriated" you.<br />But that is life. We don't always feel the responses people expect of us.<br />Perhaps she will write a sequel some day. I know her adoptive father passed away several years ago. It would be interesting to know if her relationship with her bios progressed any further than that first meeting.Lnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-574300303008890516.post-80851993291115249592012-04-05T09:24:07.198-04:002012-04-05T09:24:07.198-04:00Yep. More coming later. I need coffee, toast, the ...Yep. More coming later. I need coffee, toast, the Times.Lorraine Duskyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18285341379272250245noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-574300303008890516.post-42819246325944699842012-04-05T00:43:08.855-04:002012-04-05T00:43:08.855-04:00"Writers such as Joyce Maynard have made whol..."Writers such as Joyce Maynard have made whole careers talking about their families, their husbands, their close ones"<br /><br />I see Joyce Maynard has just disrupted the adoption of her Ethiopian daughters.cnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-574300303008890516.post-4996357016892669172012-04-04T18:16:49.419-04:002012-04-04T18:16:49.419-04:00FYI:
When I published Birthmark, I did have the b...FYI:<br /><br />When I published <i>Birthmark,</i> I did have the birth father's blessing; in writing, held by the publisher. The sealed letter may still be in some file somewhere. Other people were lesser characters, and I did not ask their permission. <br /><br />When I met my daughter she was in the tenth grade, and I gave her a copy; she used it for the next book report she did in high school. It was, at last, she told me, <i>her</i> story. She was proud; I was too. <br /><br />Mothers of (kept) children are always writing about their children and how they, the mothers, have handled various problems with them, from toddler to teen. Writers such as Joyce Maynard have made whole careers talking about their families, their husbands, their close ones. <br /><br />First mothers have stories to tell that need to be told, and while it is never good to lie or purposely hurt someone, we cannot tell our stories without talking to some degree about the children we lost to adoption. These are stories that will be told.Lorraine Duskyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18285341379272250245noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-574300303008890516.post-44574661710938510822012-04-04T15:30:47.607-04:002012-04-04T15:30:47.607-04:00It is a difficult question, but I know I was upset...It is a difficult question, but I know I was upset when someone used a sensitive part of my story that I had confided in them in some talks on adoption and reunion that they gave.<br />If they had asked first I would probably have agreed anyway, although with some modifications.<br /><br />It is different in private or protected situations, but I think memoirists, even though they are writing from and about their own experience, have an obligation to inform the people they are writing about (especially if those people are still living) before getting into print. <br />I don't know whether Sarah Saffian consulted her nps and aps before publishing, but my gut tells me she did.<br /><br />When writing publicly about young children who can't really give permission, I think it depends on whether the writing is sympathetic and kept within respectful bounds. Really sensitive issues are probably best kept protected. JMO.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-574300303008890516.post-304114094333488092012-04-04T14:32:27.473-04:002012-04-04T14:32:27.473-04:00To L:
Grateful? For what? To whom? I'm confu...To L: <br /><br />Grateful? For what? To whom? I'm confused. Oh, you mean about her father's letters? Why should she be "grateful?" <br /><br />Her biological father's letters were--to me, an interested reader--a crucial part of the book, as were her reactions to them. "Grateful" has nothing to do with it. And one doesn't "tout" one's writing, one just writes, and leaves the judgment of it up to others. <br /><br />What I found interesting was that her biological father was obviously a good writer--as evinced by his lengthy and copious letters to her--and she obviously has a writing skill, but she failed to notice in the book that she might have any traits inherited from him, or anyone biologically connected to her. Saffian's depth of understanding about who she is now was shallow. The book all around lacked a sense of real self-analysis and gravitas. I can't argue more points because it has been a couple of years since I read Ithaka but I remember being infuriarted as I went along, infuriarted by her lack of self-analysis. It's a memoir. That's what memoirists do. <br /><br />Honest or not, I ended the book with a rather large distaste for the character who came through the pages. I found her rather insufferable, and that certainly colored how I felt about the book, and her writing. You obviously felt differently; we disagree. <br /><br />Jean Strauss, the memiorist I also mention in an earlier comment, doesn't go running into her mother's arms either, and is very jumpy when around her in the beginning, but comes across as a less judgmental individual, as I read Saffian to be. And I actually forgot the part about her being upset she couldn't go to Club Med with her adoptive parents. I think that happened when she was young and so that was more cute than spoiled. Friends of mine are getting married, and the groom's 8-year-old daughter doesn't want to come to the wedding, but does want to go on the honeymoon. To her, it's just a nice trip and an adventure. That's how I recall Saffian's reaction, that of a young girl, no blame needed.Lorraine Duskyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18285341379272250245noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-574300303008890516.post-39885315124839254802012-04-04T12:29:19.009-04:002012-04-04T12:29:19.009-04:00I'm confused. Are you saying that Saffian was...I'm confused. Are you saying that Saffian wasn't grateful enough?<br />I mean, I don't remember her touting her writing skills anywhere in her memoir other than to say she was a professional writer. Did you feel that the book would have been better had she spent large amounts of it giving props to her father on his writing skills?<br />Because most people don't do that.<br />That kind of wasn't the point IMO.<br />It is interesting that one of the points of the book that so strongly irks you...that Saffian found her father pushy while he found himself just seriously passionate is IMO a crucial lesson in adoption reunion that goes both ways. The disconnect and the adoptee perspective. Isn't that what you are constantly begging for? And when it is in a book, an ADOPTEE memoir, you get offended? Why? Whether he intended to be pushy or not, SHE found him pushy and offputting and his passion kept her from reaching out to him. I actually find that point poignant. A cautionary tale indeed.<br />I did not agree with much of Saffian's decisions of how to handle her reunion, however, I did respect her honesty on her feelings. Those years were obviously a struggle for her.<br />Would you have liked the book better had she been dishonest or if she had written it saying she had done what you expected and run back to her parents' arms the minute they called her?<br />Because that is not what happened and it would have been a MEMOIR had she simply made up the story you as an interested reader wanted to hear.<br />It was a hard read but it was an important read.Lnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-574300303008890516.post-68512339501953509422012-04-04T11:50:48.729-04:002012-04-04T11:50:48.729-04:00On another note, I've tried posting a comment ...On another note, I've tried posting a comment at the current apology blog of Dina McQueen, but apparently it did not pass muster--twice. There is only one comment there and I am sure that many others must have left comments. <br /><br />If it's too hot in the kitchen, you shouldn't be a chef.Lorraine Duskyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18285341379272250245noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-574300303008890516.post-32732335807340341152012-04-04T10:40:55.249-04:002012-04-04T10:40:55.249-04:00In some respects, Maryanne, you are right; Ithaka ...In some respects, Maryanne, you are right; <i>Ithaka</i> is a cautionary tale for all first mothers and fathers seeking reunion with their adopted-out children, esp. about waiting it out because she did eventually visit her parents. But I did not find her biological father overbearing, simply eager to meet his daughter, and Saffian's continued distance was hard for me to stomach.<br /><br />And his letters had a lot to do with the success of the book--and perhaps her own writing ability--which as I recall she did not acknowledge in the least. It was as if his writing ability was from another planet; hers was from her good education that her adoptive father had been able to provide. The adoptee memoir that I found the most appealing was Jean Strauss's <i>Birthright.</i> I know Jane has reservations, but I found it emotionally open and very realistic about her conflicted feelings and early distancing from her first mother. And the follow-up book, <i>Beneath a Tall Tree</i> brings the story full circle. Loved that too.Lorraine Duskyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18285341379272250245noreply@blogger.com