tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-574300303008890516.post3942299169649389474..comments2024-03-27T20:48:39.389-04:00Comments on [Birth Mother] First Mother Forum: The Lost Post regarding the issues of Tyler and Catelynn, reconstructedLorraine Duskyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/18285341379272250245noreply@blogger.comBlogger43125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-574300303008890516.post-61318770027422040632012-12-06T21:48:39.358-05:002012-12-06T21:48:39.358-05:00I love that phrasing from people who defend their ...I love that phrasing from people who defend their relinquishments or other people's: "I/they did the best thing I/they could do at the time."<br /><br />Yes, that's just the trouble. AT THE TIME. Meaning, TEMPORARY SITUATION. By using that phrasing you ADMIT the situation has changed--and it would have to, wouldn't it? No one stays in the exact same situation for their entire life. People's lives always change, whether for better or for worse.<br /><br />Basically these people are committing legal suicide over a situation that was neither life-threatening or permanent. That they both survived a bad home life and still had it together to try to do their best for their daughter should have been their first clue that she would have also turned out okay.<br /><br />Alas... they'd rather drink the Kool-Aid and rant at and about us.Dana Seilhanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11749354913843954242noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-574300303008890516.post-80830590704062376172012-12-02T07:31:10.436-05:002012-12-02T07:31:10.436-05:00People who hurt pets and other animals should not ...People who hurt pets and other animals should not be allowed around children, whether they are relatives or not. The next step in their cruelty is often hurting children.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-574300303008890516.post-81345558628350397512012-12-01T12:44:08.971-05:002012-12-01T12:44:08.971-05:00The dog incident will be another nail in closing t...The dog incident will be another nail in closing the adoption.maybehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07067284504038707207noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-574300303008890516.post-9958091291481914672012-12-01T11:35:59.159-05:002012-12-01T11:35:59.159-05:00Robin said: "Tyler being abusive to an anima...Robin said: "Tyler being abusive to an animal is a huge red flag in my book."<br /><br />Real parent material, right, Robin?<br />Beehivenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-574300303008890516.post-74567374872261710722012-12-01T10:06:54.723-05:002012-12-01T10:06:54.723-05:00Robin wrote, "the couple from Missouri who wo...Robin wrote, "the couple from Missouri who won the Powerball have an adopted daughter from China."<br /><br />Good grief, even a lottery story manages to have an adoption angle. I saw the girl at the news conference and of course my first thought was "adopted!" but I didn't hear the details. Seems we can never escape adoption. <br /><br />Another recent story with a reference to adoption: young mother with 3 children killed one then tried to cover her tracks by pretending he had gone missing from a park. While investgating they read her journal and there is an entry about how she wishes she could give the kids up for, you guessed it, adoption!<br /><br />Lord help us.maybehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07067284504038707207noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-574300303008890516.post-37759396633922211922012-11-30T15:28:34.831-05:002012-11-30T15:28:34.831-05:00@Maybe,
I agree with you. The more I learn about T...@Maybe,<br />I agree with you. The more I learn about Tyler and Catelynn the less respect I have for them. Tyler being abusive to an animal is a huge red flag in my book.<br /><br />Chilren do not want to be given away by their parents. Certainly, we can understand why we were given up and in a small number of circumstances it may have been for the best. But by promoting adoption they are giving Carly the message that they are glad they gave her away. I cannot even begin to imagine the pain of learning that my mother was proud of herself for giving me up and made money encouraging others to do the same. And poor Carly having to go through all of this publicly.<br /><br />Also, at 20 years old they should start to be able to see this from Carly's perspective. And not just parrot the "we did what was best for her and we're sure she will see it the same way." attitude.<br /><br /><br />Oh, and in case anyone didn't see the story, the couple from Missouri who won the Powerball have an adopted daughter from China. They are planning to adopt another child with their winnings.Robinnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-574300303008890516.post-10849144992954791052012-11-29T16:29:20.323-05:002012-11-29T16:29:20.323-05:00In one of the episodes, Catelynn cradles the dog, ...In one of the episodes, Catelynn cradles the dog, pretending it is their baby. Tyler remarks contemptuously, "It's just a dog!"Jane Edwardshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09715622112694146946noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-574300303008890516.post-62239361538867412062012-11-29T12:17:04.111-05:002012-11-29T12:17:04.111-05:00@Been There wrote:"Our child made it clear th...@Been There wrote:"Our child made it clear that she viewed things differently, while still young."<br /><br />Thank you for your wonderful comment. I so much appreciate that you wrote about how the child will feel about what happened to her. Almost everything that is written and believed about adoption and Assisted Reproduction also is only from the adults' perspective. And it is assumed that the child will then interpret things the same way.<br /><br />For what it's worth:<br />I grew up in a wonderful neighborhood. It is a place that I would recommend to anyone looking to raise a family. The people I went to school with are some of the kindest, brightest and genuinely good people that I have ever met in my life. I am still close friends with many of them. I even lived in a spacious home with a swimming pool.<br /><br />Remember the popular girls in high school? Not the mean girls, but the nice, pretty ones that everyone liked? Well, I was one of them (although the swimming pool probably helped me in the popularity stakes.. tee hee).<br /><br />And you know what? I would have given it all up in a minute, in a heartbeat to have been raised by my natural mother. Those who promote adoption want to make expectant parents think that the things I just described are most important. But come on, people. A swimming pool? A freaking swimming pool? There is no swimming pool on earth that can compensate for the loss of my families. I mean a public pool is just fine. Thank you very much. And I love to swim and I'm good at it ( a talent I inherited from my natural father, btw).<br /><br />I mean isn't the importance of a swimming pool or it's equivalent what the pro-adoption message really boils down to? I had it all and it never made up for the loss of my mother. It can never eliminate or resolve the devastating pain that your own mother gave you away.Robinnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-574300303008890516.post-48022534562090888452012-11-28T22:16:07.901-05:002012-11-28T22:16:07.901-05:00Thank you, Been There.
Thank you, Been There. <br />Lorraine Duskyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18285341379272250245noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-574300303008890516.post-74406885585350705682012-11-28T21:49:37.385-05:002012-11-28T21:49:37.385-05:00Dear Tyler and Catelynn,
Although your comment to...Dear Tyler and Catelynn,<br /><br />Although your comment to this blog's owner came off rather naive and condescending, I don't feel you deserved the flurry that came in its wake.<br /><br />I've been, to some degree, where you are. Though never paid, I spoke on a much, much smaller scale on Bethany's behalf many years ago via their panels.<br /><br />Much of what you have said, I said. However, time offers much in the way of perspective.<br /><br />When someone told me I "gave up" my baby, I was as offended as you. "Placed!" I said. And I agree that, from our perspective, that's what many of us did. Placed or entrusted. I believe that our intention matters.<br /><br />However, as I discovered too late, from too many adoptee's viewpoints, it doesn't feel that way. Even in the most loving open adoption scenarios (or semi open), many children report feelings of abandonment. It's horrible to imagine, I know. I ask you to please do your research beyond the context of Bethany's filter.<br /><br />Like you, I trusted my Bethany counselor implicitly. I based my knowledge of those who would become my child's adoptive parents on her expertise (which I later discovered was minimal, at best). Looking back, and after some later conversation with her, I know that she was as naive as I was. If your social worker is telling you that an adoptee's perception of abandonment (some, not all) isn't prevalent, she is equally naive.<br /><br />Your child is still very, very young. You have no way of knowing if adoption served her until she is of age to say whether it did or not. Until then, you have absolutely no idea what's going on under her roof. It's a scary thought, I know, even the remote possibility that anything but good can be going on there. When I was only a handful of years in, I wouldn't have wanted to consider the possibility either. I think, to do so, would have broke me.<br /><br />But, truly, you cannot know.<br /><br />How do you think your child is going to feel when she is, say, 16 or 17 and knows you were paid to encourage others to relinquish their children? How do you think she will feel to know that her life, while she was too young to have any say, was made into a media circus by both her adoptive and birthparents?<br /><br />You are so very young that it would be easy for you to dismiss me as you have Lorraine as a "bitter old woman." What if that's not the case? Is it possible that women further into this, much further, have learned things that you haven't yet? Is it possible that we don't want to see you come to deeply regret profiting from placing your child?<br /><br />When your child comes to you and asks if you made money as a result of placing or whatever she calls it ... how will it feel to say yes?<br /><br />You are both young. You haven't yet lived an open adoption or a semi open adoption through to your child's adulthood. If you prefer to say she isn't your child, okay, but understand that's a matter of semantics.<br /><br />There were days I was willing to refer to my child as "theirs" or "yours" in order to make her adoptive parents feel more comfortable and secure. Our child made it clear that she viewed things differently, while still young. I have difficulty believing that, in her heart of hearts, Catelynn doesn't view herself as one of her child's mothers. If she doesn't, then your social worker has done her job well.<br /><br />I ask you to please do some reading. I don't judge you. Honestly, I don't even watch the show. I know nothing about your lives. Based on what little I've read, I'm quite certain you love your child with all of your hearts and want only the best for her.<br /><br />What if the best includes educating yourself beyond the scope of Bethany's counsel? What if the best includes listening to various viewpoints? <br /><br />What if the best means you stop making a career out of something you don't know your child will feel good about?<br /><br />For her sake, please widen your point of reference.<br /><br />All the best to all of you, <br /><br />Signed, <br /><br />Been ThereAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-574300303008890516.post-16586987845740280412012-11-23T17:37:07.642-05:002012-11-23T17:37:07.642-05:00It is a tragic commentary on our culture that Tere...It is a tragic commentary on our culture that Teresa and Brandon were deemed more 'entitled' to raise Carly just because Catelynn and Tyler had the bad luck to come from messed up families. It was obvious from the show that T & C desperately wanted to keep Carly and would have if they had had more support.Robinnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-574300303008890516.post-61528004608469016242012-11-23T11:25:08.530-05:002012-11-23T11:25:08.530-05:00It goes without saying that there will always be a...It goes without saying that there will always be a few children who will require adoption by strangers: true orphans with no family to take them in, for example. There is foster care for children who are in immediate danger/unsafe environments.<br /><br />Personally, I do not apologize, and preface my thoughts, and our agenda, with the aforementioned sentence. That's why single mothers lose their kids - because they're too kind.<br /><br />I am aware that we have had to apologize, and preface, and inch our way, out of the pit of hell in the beginning of our movement - campaign because that's how being a minority works.<br /><br />Please let's stop being so "courteous." I think it minimizes our plight and gives our detractors ammunition. Our detractors are vicious!!! The adoption industry is made up of ruthless sadists!!!<br /><br />If a detractor said that to me today - well, I'm not sure exactly what I'd say; but, it definitely wouldn't be pretty. In a case like that, I would love to just furl my brow, and say something like, "Go f--k yourself," and nothing else. An insult begets insults! Detractors know exactly what we're talking about!!! Of course, we're not talking about the kids who truly have noone!<br /><br />Let's not dignify stupidity, obfuscation, and filibustering with an answer. We can say something like, "That's apples and oranges, slick! Nice try!" Now sit down and shut up! Next!<br /><br />In theory, I'd like to just slap that detractor! I may say something like, "Sit down! Don't be a muttonhead! Really try hard to find another pastime. Try to get a life!" Next!<br /><br />Or how about, "I'm not going to dignify your filibustering with an answer, a--h--e. Please sit down." You'll see, detractors will start respecting us! Let's pinpoint our message and exclude the ifs, ands, or buts.<br /><br />Don't try to justify the UNjustifiable sickness of separating families!<br /><br />Now there's s good comeback!Lindseynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-574300303008890516.post-25299393540759591082012-11-23T11:02:28.859-05:002012-11-23T11:02:28.859-05:00What's up with all the focus on Catelynn &...What's up with all the focus on Catelynn & Tyer having emanated from dysfunctional families? Is that a reason to further punish these poor families by separating them from their children? Why are we compounding the dysfunction? Why do we foist trauma on top of trauma on top of trauma on these vulnerable families? Well, of course, we know why? Because there's money in it! Lots & lots & lots of money in the family separation business that we call adoption!<br /><br />All families have problems! We're all fallible human beings! Shouldn't the focus be on helping the whole family instead of plucking out one of the children and dumping the rest of the family members into a perpetuity of suffering? This is utterly disgraceful! This is the cruelest and most unusual punishment that our United States doles out!<br /><br />What kind of a nation of cheap pieces of shit are we, social worker Dawn Amann Baker of Bethany Christian Services!? You call yourself a Christian? You make Christianity look bad - real bad!!! It's no wonder congregants are dropping out of churches like wildfire (flies)! Beware of businesses that try to lure you in under the guise of God and religion! Pedophilia and adoption have irreparably stained & sullied Christianity!Lindseynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-574300303008890516.post-33981189866877412922012-11-22T12:18:39.425-05:002012-11-22T12:18:39.425-05:00SHOWBIZ ADOPTIONS
AWE-SUM!SHOWBIZ ADOPTIONS<br /><br /><br />AWE-SUM!Kidnapnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-574300303008890516.post-39316970202646183492012-11-22T08:21:49.938-05:002012-11-22T08:21:49.938-05:00Adoption is for adoptive parents. The minute a chi...Adoption is for adoptive parents. The minute a child is given up the losses start for the mother, sometimes for the father, too and for the child. Even if the adoption is open or semi-open, even if there is a decent reunion, the losses can never be recovered.<br /><br />The child will never have the experience of growing up with biological family. S/he will never have memories of shared holidays, vacations, family dinners or more mundane things like grocery shopping trips, doctors visits or back to school shopping. S/he will not have the opportunity to see a slew of bio-relatives up close to see how her family health history plays out over time or how her family members age.<br /><br />The term "forever family" is the idea behind adoption. This is a good thing for children who truly need adoption. For those of us who were victims of unnecessary adoptions it is a life sentence. <br /><br />Happy Thanksgiving to Lorraine and Jane and all the readers of FMF.Robinnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-574300303008890516.post-54922891437234249192012-11-22T08:10:41.983-05:002012-11-22T08:10:41.983-05:00Everyone please keep an eye on the CNN 2012 Hero o...Everyone please keep an eye on the CNN 2012 Hero of the Year segments which begin on December 2, 2012. <br /><br />One of the nominees is a super woman from Columbia whose last name is Escobar. Because of a tragedy of her own, she has started a place where single teen moms are taught how to parent, they're taught skills, they're heavily supported and guided - noone is left dangling to suffer on his or her own! Lines of reclined babies are shown - all the mothers are working together - smiling & laughing! <br /><br />There will be no adoption sorrow in Columbia! <br /><br />U.S. Adoption Industry - Buh-bye!!! Unemployment line - Here we come! Happy Thanksgiving! <br /><br />Do you think Escobar will win? Not if adoption entrepreneurs and other adoption-adorers and uncouth voters in the U.S. have their way! We'll have no smiling and laughing and reveling around single parenthood in the United States of America! Single parents must be punished!!!<br /><br />Kudos to the Columbians! Truly a people of respect and honor!caleigh brookshttp://caleighbrookswatchingthewatchers.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-574300303008890516.post-29593569590882415752012-11-21T11:00:19.216-05:002012-11-21T11:00:19.216-05:00Lorraine,
I completely agree with your last post ...Lorraine,<br /><br />I completely agree with your last post and it certainly isn't shocking that Bethany lost interest in the mom who was post adoption placement. Horrible!<br /><br />I am involved with a local CUB group and one of our members is opening a family preservation non-profit. That is what should be answering the phones for pregnancy crisis hotlines. Her nonprofit will provide a place to learn how to parent, find resources available and hopefully have a place to stay as the girls learn to be a mom. I look forward to helping her reach these lofy goals during the next few years as the agency grows from an idea now to a true group!<br /><br />Funny- because the maternity home my first mom was sent to in NYC is now such a place. They have long term care for teen moms...teaching them how to parent and helping them get their degrees and jobs. More needs to be done to switch from adoption as a business to homes such as that.Reneenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-574300303008890516.post-78063239662953694262012-11-21T09:43:48.373-05:002012-11-21T09:43:48.373-05:00"No matter what you call it, being adopted re..."No matter what you call it, being adopted reads emotionally as "given up" and "abandoned" by one's real parents."<br /><br />Tyler and Catelynn will have a hard time seeing giving Carly up, er, I mean making an 'adoption plan' in a different light. If you read the message boards and comments, 98% of them are about how brave, selfless and heroic T & C are. There are only a few negative comments along the lines of "I could never give my baby away" or the even less frequent "Carly is going to have issues from being adopted". That's pretty heady stuff for a couple of teenagers from a terrible background. They may have thought they wouldn't amount to much and here they've become America's sweethearts. We have really been brainwashed by the adoption machine in this country when one becomes an admired celebrity for giving their child to strangers.<br /><br />Poor mini-me Catelynn, er, I mean Carly. I don't know how she is going to handle all of this. It would certainly be hard to find that you were born to a stable, loving couple (T & C's relationship was stable not their parents) who were financially secure within only a few years of your birth and yet you have to live with the lifelong consequences of being given up for adoption. Not only what Lorraine wrote in the quote above but also some adoptees feel rejected, too. Adoption is based on a lie. Adopted children don't just forget their natural parents as if they came from a cabbage patch.<br /><br />Back to the picture. Do APs and non-adopted people really get the powerful connection that comes from looking like their bio-relatives? It's such a strong sense of belonging, of fitting in. When Catelynn and Carly look at each other, they will be looking into their own face at different ages.<br /><br />@Anon 12:23pm<br />Thanks for clarifiying how people on the show get paid.Robinnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-574300303008890516.post-41774135031870328632012-11-21T09:13:25.186-05:002012-11-21T09:13:25.186-05:00I am another who finds it quite arrogant of the ad...I am another who finds it quite arrogant of the adoptive parents (B&T)to demand that Caitlynn and Tyler not post pictures of their daughter anywhere, but they can pose for magazine covers, gloating about their "happy" family (whom without the natural mothers they get off controlling, they would not have).<br /><br />Why have an "open adoption", much less allow TV cameras into your private life, if you are then going to demand that they not post pictures of their daughter? Everyone knows they are the natural parents of Carly. Is some big sacred secret? <br /><br />Of course they are now doubting their decision to be on a national tv show, because now they just want to be left alone with the children they adopted. They were desperate for a baby, so did anything to get one. Now, they don't want the pesky public and especially the pesky natural family around reminding them that the children they adopted are also other people's children and family members. How inconvenient for them, NOW. I'm shocked they would have a change of heart. NOT. Open Adoption is a scamnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-574300303008890516.post-88835924769627581712012-11-20T20:05:13.224-05:002012-11-20T20:05:13.224-05:00Thank you Renee, and Sibu03 making comments and th...Thank you Renee, and Sibu03 making comments and the anons--we seem to have a number of new people commenting in the last few days. Adoption is so painful it should never be a business. The trouble is that agencies are able to register as non-profits, as Bethany is--and then, freely run as a business, paying their CEOs and top lieutenants well. And with 70 locations in 30 states and 13 countries, it is big business. Non-profit? Depends on the amount of "salary" you and I would consider non-profit. A quick Google search turned this up: <br /><br />Went to Bethany early in my pregnancy. Made it VERY clear, multiple times (before I even walked in the door, in fact) that I was not sure what I wanted to do--parenting or adoption--and that I needed help and information on both options. They promised to walk me through both options and help me no matter which I chose.<br /><br />When I had attended several appointments and finally asked for help in putting together a parenting plan, finding community resources to help me parent, and so on, they refused.<br /><br /><b> They have refused to provide the life-long post-placement counseling they promised.</b> <br /><br />When I returned to them post-relinquishment and asked for information on support groups, books to help a post-relinquishment mother, etc., they could not provide me with a single resource... I ended up telling THEM about the closest CUB meeting. (And later found out they don't support CUB, anyway, because it's too radical... which is absurd--Google CUB.)<br /><br />Bethany has individual people who do a good job, but the organization as a whole is corrupt, in my opinion. It is a huge supporter of the NCFA, which lobbies for closed records, closed adoptions, and which put out the booklet "Birth Mother, Good Mother" as a way to market infant adoption--to make women feel that in order to be good mothers, they need to relinquish their children. Doubtful that Tyler found this in his research. We'll do more on this anon. <br /><br />Link:<br /><br /><a href="http://www.adoptionagencyratings.com/bethany-christian-services.htm" rel="nofollow">Adoption Agency RatingsAdoption Agency </a>Lorraine Duskyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18285341379272250245noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-574300303008890516.post-20254164042978686262012-11-20T18:22:13.567-05:002012-11-20T18:22:13.567-05:00I'm an adoptee from the BSE and I have been in...I'm an adoptee from the BSE and I have been in reunion for the last 20 yrs with my first mom.<br /><br />I will refrain from accussing Tyler or Cateyln of drinking the Kool-aid; we all know who poured their drinks.<br /><br />They were 16 yr old kids and made what they felt was an informed decision. The problem I see is that the majority of the information on the net and tv etc are all fed by the same source: the adoption industry. These kids did not make an adoption plan because it would be in the WORST interest of their daughter- they felt it would be in her best interest. Most first moms also thought they were doing the best for their child ; mine included. <br /><br />I had the average disfunctional middle class family. My apars should never have been married much less have had children (naturally or adopted). They were emotionally abusive but did what they thought was their best. I missed my first family my entire life and made it clear to all that I would be searching from when I was 5yrs old. <br /><br />Had I been raised by my mom its very possible I would have been terribly abused by her first husband- or perhaps she wouldn't have married him at all as she gravitated towards him because of the loss of me. I have 4 half sibs through her marriage to him so I do not like to guess at the what ifs-they too should be here as well as my two kids whose dad is also adopted and I wouldn't have met him had I not been an adoption searcher. I like to think that I, as well as all of us, can learn from the past. <br /><br />Adoption should be a last resort-family preservation is always in the best interest of the child. If this country took the $ out of the industry, this could happen. Hotlines for crisis pregnancies should never be answered by adoption industry agencies! There should be social workers for the pregnant parent(s) independant of any angency who facilitates adoption as well as attorneys who represent the pregnant woman and father. <br />I also do not believe in amending birth certificates- have certicates of adoption that can show the transfer of custody to the aparents.<br /><br />Bottom line is that change needs to happen in this country regarding adoption practices. Adoption is ALWAYS about pain, loss and second choice; the adoptive parents usually have mourned the loss of their own biological children and resorted to adoption to create a family. The first family doesn't chose adoption first; they would prefer not to be dealing with an unplanned pregnancy at a bad time in their life. Most first moms would cling to ANY help offered to support her in making a plan to keep her child and create a life to support the child. When that isn't forthcoming or made in such a way that shows the mom that they are choosing the best thing for their child, then they resort to adoption. For adoptees, we lose our first families, part of ourselves and the future ability to trust in others on many fundamental levels. Often control is important to us because we had none in this whole mess.<br /><br />Anyway- thank you all for sharing your insights. I hope that we are able to work together to effect change to this obscene industry within our country!Reneenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-574300303008890516.post-24246002417173310502012-11-20T16:44:20.248-05:002012-11-20T16:44:20.248-05:00All I can say is.. thank god there wasn't an i...All I can say is.. thank god there wasn't an internet back in my day. I would have been a promoting fool all over the place and I would HATE MYSELF NOW.<br />Thankfully, I was isolated for 10 years, sad and nursing my koolaide sippy box. To think that one day they can wake up and see that not only did they do this to themselves, to their families, to their daughter BUT to OTHER WOMEN too...FauxClaudhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00794052679215498158noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-574300303008890516.post-66637676340683660542012-11-20T16:31:23.348-05:002012-11-20T16:31:23.348-05:00"No matter what you call it, being adopted re..."No matter what you call it, being adopted reads emotionally as "given up" and "abandoned" by one's real parents."<br /><br />very well said. I'm sure Tyler and many other parents will believe that with words and proper explanation, the child will understand and not feel abandoned later on. Sure they did what they thought/were coerced to believe was best for the child. It doesn't matter how clear and true your words are when telling the child that, emotional understanding will not catch on. Especially with children. <br /><br />I remember being a child and crying and being heartbroken because my parents wouldn't buy me every toy I wanted. I thought they didn't love me as much as the other parents on the street loved their kids. Other kids got this toy, why not me? Well because one of my parents was sick and we had tight money and couldn't afford to buy brand name macaroni, let alone buy me every toy I wanted! They also were dealing with the repercussions of spoiling my older sister back when they had the resources to and they did not want to instill the same long term issues in me. Did that make sense to me as a child? No. I'd still cry and be hurt and look at the toys of the neighbours. <br /><br />Not saying it's for sure, but it may turn out that Carly will still cry and be hurt and feel confused and abandoned, even when Catelynn and Tyler are saying "it's because we love you. We wanted the best for you". Making Commentsnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-574300303008890516.post-62771439687950148982012-11-20T16:20:10.748-05:002012-11-20T16:20:10.748-05:00You can read the article and interview from Brando...You can read the article and interview from Brandon & Teresa in the digital version of Lifeline Magazine at this link<br /><br />http://epaperflip.com/aglaia/viewer.aspx?docid=e19ea25138784377b351c106910080a1<br /><br />If that link doesn't work try this one http://www.bethanylifelines.org/digital/ then click on "Fall 2012"<br /><br />I too find it strange that they prohibited Carly from being shared to the public, then appeared on a magazine cover afterward. Hmmm.<br /><br />Also they can thank Catelynn & Tyler for their new adopted son. Catelynn introduced them to a young pregnant girl who chose them as adoptive parents. The adoption was done through Bethany and "counselor" Dawn of course!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-574300303008890516.post-31159883345143125252012-11-20T16:11:04.401-05:002012-11-20T16:11:04.401-05:00Tyler has admitted to paying for his sisters boob ...Tyler has admitted to paying for his sisters boob job. Can't remember if it was twitter or facebook, but he did. Catelynn's brother screen capped it on facebook. I'd link but he blocked me on facebook. You could try to add him "River Alexander Lowell". I actually knew about that before it was ever in the tabloid from a "source". I'm guessing River is the "source" to make some money. He revealed it on facebook first when he was bitching about Catelynn not buying him a car when they're so rich. He's complained about her not sharing money with him before and I told him "if I had someone nag and EXPECT money from me and want to use me, I wouldn't be so keen to give it up either". That's when he blocked me lol.<br /><br />And you're right, some of their family and friends get paid for their MTV work as well and are on contract with them. Some are not. There's a few variables that go into it. For example Tyler's dad got paid to appear because he was a big part of their storyline and fans love to watch him (maybe not for the best reasons lol). Their friends who tag around on their pizza hangouts and appear in conversations every few episodes likely aren't paid or on contract.<br /><br />on TM2, Jenelle's baby's father never appeared on the series because he wanted no part of it or her life. MTV persuaded him hard and put him a contract and money to start appearing on the show. He'll be showing up soon on the current season.<br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com