tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-574300303008890516.post4885386983094504252..comments2024-03-27T20:48:39.389-04:00Comments on [Birth Mother] First Mother Forum: Loretta Young's 'adopted' daughter wasn't adopted at allLorraine Duskyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/18285341379272250245noreply@blogger.comBlogger23125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-574300303008890516.post-73777933607641368832011-12-07T20:45:11.105-05:002011-12-07T20:45:11.105-05:00Theodore,
I don't think its understood how mu...Theodore,<br /><br />I don't think its understood how much a child hurts and the longlasting damge being treated like she was causes a child. Not thinking about how happy ans fulfilled the mother was filling i tend to idenify with the marginized child, the one lives their life beliving that they are someone they are not...alll to keep the mother happy...sorry something ethically wrong with this. <br /><br />I understand how some may only see the mothers viewpoint and think its a great idea to keep your kid AND your career...woow...cool....and for 18 months this baby was in foster care being bounced like ball and being inherently damaged along the way...but hey its only a little confusion...look at all the money she had...such a little princess... <br /><br />There is no insight for the child...at all... and genrally no one cares.dpennoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-574300303008890516.post-40797687576654680522011-12-06T19:33:56.401-05:002011-12-06T19:33:56.401-05:00what we mean, is that she let her daughter have th...what we mean, is that she let her daughter have the burden of being adopted looong after it was a risk, she never admitted to being her daughter's mother, selfish only thinking about herself. Adoption is never about the adoptee always about the arents and brents, thats what dpen is saying, yes she kept her child, but then she continued the deception when it was no longer necessary. wHY? a real mother puts a childs needs above their reputation/career. I understand the times, but in the later years, she lied to her daughter, would not admit the truth... that shame isnt something her daughter had to bear that long. come onjennhttp://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=518082724&ref=tn_tnmnnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-574300303008890516.post-39259943738983039902011-12-06T07:52:58.812-05:002011-12-06T07:52:58.812-05:00dpen,
though I do agree with GG that Young got s...dpen, <br /><br />though I do agree with GG that Young got some assistance, this was a case of family preservation, <br />the lie is hard to forgive, but be honest is there any mother, who lost her child to adoption on this site, who would NOT have gone this way if the possibility and the resources would have been available?Theodorehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14634057445114838262noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-574300303008890516.post-22030690784109217402011-12-05T09:42:08.738-05:002011-12-05T09:42:08.738-05:00Nadia,
And thats is the whole problem with adopti...Nadia,<br /><br />And thats is the whole problem with adoption. your whole post was about how it benfitted the "first mother" and the on;y benifit to the child was just a litlte confusion and got to be treated like a princess. Does it matter that the "princess" was miserable, made to feel second best, unable to be totally herself so mommy could be a star!<br /><br />she sacrificed her daughters well being, her daughters sense of belonging, her daughters sense of trust for herself. <br /><br />Wait...I think thats whats happens in most adoption cases...oh well...she had lots of money, but was not able to live an honest life. Does that matter, or is about about what the mommy needed?<br /><br />GG, your comment makes a lot of sense.dpennoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-574300303008890516.post-67657948578035117692011-12-03T19:03:11.687-05:002011-12-03T19:03:11.687-05:00When I think about Loretta concocting this elabora...When I think about Loretta concocting this elaborate scheme to keep her baby even at 22 yes old I think studio was probably the Ones who did this they had to protect their $$ she was probably under contract much like Gable.GGnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-574300303008890516.post-62128163575774673982011-12-03T01:38:48.167-05:002011-12-03T01:38:48.167-05:00To be fair, Loretta young's move makes sense t...To be fair, Loretta young's move makes sense to me. Had the truth gone out there, her career and even her life would have been destroyed. It was an age when women were meant to be in the kitchen, and chaste was golden. But that is more of a discussion for womens rights...heh we have come a loooooooong way since then. but think about it. Had the truth gone out, she probably would not have been able to get a husband, or even a career, being christian there is a good chance her family would disown her for having a child out of wedlock.<br /><br />As confused as her daughter grew up, she grew up being treated like a princess and being given a good life in the long haul, and in a around about way, Loretta was protecting herself and her baby.<br /><br />She got her cake and ate too.Nadianoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-574300303008890516.post-12368759057899295272011-12-02T19:40:32.027-05:002011-12-02T19:40:32.027-05:00As I recall mass murderers Ted Bundy and Charles M...As I recall mass murderers Ted Bundy and Charles Manson were raised by grandparents whom they were told were their parents. They were told their mothers were their sisters. Which is not to say that deception leads to murder.Jane Edwardshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05669797756463841249noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-574300303008890516.post-22769638137338219992011-12-02T16:56:12.239-05:002011-12-02T16:56:12.239-05:00re: Leonard Maltin comment on sidebar.
While I to...re: Leonard Maltin comment on sidebar.<br /><br />While I totally disagree with Loretta Young keeping the truth from her daughter Judy, I think it was rather "clever" of her to come up with this way of keeping her daughter. Better than giving her up for adoption especially since Ms. Young and Clark Gable would certainly have had the means to raise their own child. Given the huge taboo against unwed motherhood that must have existed in the 1930s you do have to give Loretta some credit for figuring out a way to keep her kid. She just should have been honest with the kid about what she was doing.Robinnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-574300303008890516.post-71771596658602532192011-12-02T12:33:34.084-05:002011-12-02T12:33:34.084-05:00Check out Ginger Rogers in Kitty Folly. She gets p...Check out Ginger Rogers in Kitty Folly. She gets pregnant and does keep the baby. It was such a different time. So much was put on the shoulder of women. The morality of the world especially in the US. Europeans are not as hung up as Americans about sex and out of wed lock children. Notice Ingrid Bergman did not jump through the hoops Lorette Young did. I read that Clarke Gable did not know for sure for a long time she was not honest with him for a long time. Good thing she was such a good catholic!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-574300303008890516.post-86207514130817196922011-12-02T09:43:21.797-05:002011-12-02T09:43:21.797-05:00Clark Gable must have known and agreed with Lorett...Clark Gable must have known and agreed with Loretta Young to not let the daughter know...as she was "adopted."Lorraine Duskyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18285341379272250245noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-574300303008890516.post-45378770988768741312011-12-02T09:40:53.364-05:002011-12-02T09:40:53.364-05:00Yes, Jack Nicholson. Sorry I didn't make that ...Yes, Jack Nicholson. Sorry I didn't make that clear.Lorraine Duskyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18285341379272250245noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-574300303008890516.post-79930749653569349632011-12-02T09:17:35.071-05:002011-12-02T09:17:35.071-05:00In my non-identifying info (all I have), it says t...In my non-identifying info (all I have), it says that only my mother and grandmother knew of my mother's pregnancy (me). It's all so sad - the loss to me, yes, but also to my father (does he even know he has a child?), my grandparents, aunts and uncles, cousins, nephews and nieces... I read that Clark Gable did know she was his child, is this right? But what of his parents and siblings - did they know? Just so sad, all around.Jenniferhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06366141565010190668noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-574300303008890516.post-13758309343746679242011-12-02T07:16:03.237-05:002011-12-02T07:16:03.237-05:00There's a book by Laura Hobson (who wrote Gent...There's a book by Laura Hobson (who wrote Gentleman's Agreement) called The Tenth Month, which is about a single woman who gets pregnant, has the baby, hides him (she has a second apartment and hires someone to care for him) and then "adopts" him. This was based on her own life: http://jwa.org/encyclopedia/article/hobson-laura (Interestingly in real life she also is an actual adoptive mother, which is one reason she kept the secret even from her children until they were grown.)Dawnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04164833674841541784noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-574300303008890516.post-5280203731662795772011-12-02T00:55:10.684-05:002011-12-02T00:55:10.684-05:00Nicholson?Nicholson?Lorihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05815710859859029536noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-574300303008890516.post-73935024609303303342011-12-01T22:29:17.812-05:002011-12-01T22:29:17.812-05:00Grandparents raising a "son" via Wiki:
...Grandparents raising a "son" via Wiki:<br /><br />Nicholson was brought up believing that his grandparents, John Joseph Nicholson (a department store window dresser in Manasquan, New Jersey) and Ethel May (née Rhoads, a hairdresser, beautician and amateur artist in Manasquan), were his parents. Nicholson only discovered that his "parents" were actually his grandparents and his sister was in fact his mother in 1974, after a journalist for TIME magazine who was doing a feature on Nicholson informed him of the fact. By this time, both his mother and grandmother had died (in 1963 and 1970, respectively). Nicholson has stated he does not know who his biological father is, saying "Only Ethel and June knew and they never told anybody",and has chosen not to have a DNA test or to pursue the matter.Lorraine Duskyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18285341379272250245noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-574300303008890516.post-31687759568048015952011-12-01T19:05:03.953-05:002011-12-01T19:05:03.953-05:00Loretta Young my mom's favorite. I loved her s...Loretta Young my mom's favorite. I loved her show too. So if you were rich enoough, famous you could hide pregnancy, pretend you adopted your own baby and keep it a secret all your life.<br />I don't like the fact that Loretta did NOT tell her daughter the truth I do believe it must have hurt the daughter tremendously. <br />Clark Gable like most dad's that got women pregnant was able to have his cake and ice cream too. Mother's are always held accountable because they carry the baby and give birth an bonding occurs where dad doesn't.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-574300303008890516.post-18695936010213464492011-12-01T17:56:33.658-05:002011-12-01T17:56:33.658-05:00Wow, she really looks like Clark Gable, doesn'...Wow, she really looks like Clark Gable, doesn't she?<br />What a sad story all around, for all of them. But how interesting that her mother did bend over backwards to raise her.<br />Sometimes I hear stories about married sisters raising unwed sisters' babies and passing them off as the aunt's birth child, but the real mother claiming to have adopted as a single parent? That's odd, even for a movie star, I would think, in this era. But completely out of the question for a non-movie star.LilySeahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08812905445813679050noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-574300303008890516.post-91713619102825976242011-12-01T17:15:15.820-05:002011-12-01T17:15:15.820-05:00Speaking of Hollywood scandals, I kind of remember...Speaking of Hollywood scandals, I kind of remember that in 1960 a Congressman wanted to bar Elizabeth Taylor from the US as an undesirable alien for cavorting with Richard Burton on the set of "Cleopatra." Taylor and Burton were both married to other people. <br /><br />I ran into Taylor and Burton in a pub in London in 1963. They were sitting at the bar; I was at a table. I just stared.Jane Edwardshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05669797756463841249noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-574300303008890516.post-50414688896386506472011-12-01T16:40:28.088-05:002011-12-01T16:40:28.088-05:00Gag about the movie...
Is there an adoption movie...Gag about the movie...<br /><br />Is there an adoption movie made where we birth FIRST mothers don't end up dead, scorned or otherwise trashed?Lorraine Duskyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18285341379272250245noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-574300303008890516.post-10966349043332465302011-12-01T16:13:09.917-05:002011-12-01T16:13:09.917-05:00There's a 1946 tear-jerker movie, "To Eac...There's a 1946 tear-jerker movie, "To Each His Own" starring Olivia de Havilland as a single woman who gets pregnant by a WWI pilot. He is killed and she gives birth at a far away hospital. She arranges for a nurse to leave the baby on a neighbor's door step. She will step forward and offer to adopt the baby. The plan goes awry when the nurse leaves the baby on the wrong door step and another woman adopts him. <br /><br />At one point De Havilland has her son come and live with her (without revealing he is her son) but he misses his adoptive mother so she returns him. She watches from afar as her son grows up and becomes a WWII pilot.Jane Edwardshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05669797756463841249noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-574300303008890516.post-51690114097882299792011-12-01T16:10:06.094-05:002011-12-01T16:10:06.094-05:00Robin: Thanks! Correction made.
Plus an ad about...Robin: Thanks! Correction made. <br /><br />Plus an ad about how great was the scandal Bergman was denounced on the floor of the Sentate! and Ed Sullivan refused to have her on his show.Lorraine Duskyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18285341379272250245noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-574300303008890516.post-437457462192793502011-12-01T15:40:20.902-05:002011-12-01T15:40:20.902-05:00Quick FYI. Robertino Rossellini was actually the c...Quick FYI. Robertino Rossellini was actually the child Ingrid Bergman conceived out-of-wedlock with Roberto Rossellini. The twins Ingrid and Isabella were born later, after they were married.<br /><br />Signed,<br />Ingrid Bergman fan :)Robinnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-574300303008890516.post-17626037340525318122011-12-01T15:33:36.327-05:002011-12-01T15:33:36.327-05:00Truthfully, while I get the whole beginning stuff ...Truthfully, while I get the whole beginning stuff - I really have to wonder at a woman that hid this, years after it was even a big deal! Sadly, that left her daughter in pain... Sometimes I just don't get that stuff.Lorihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05815710859859029536noreply@blogger.com