tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-574300303008890516.post5510411964123462664..comments2024-03-27T20:48:39.389-04:00Comments on [Birth Mother] First Mother Forum: Analysis: Three Identical Strangers separated at birth for a social experiment now in theaters! Lorraine Duskyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/18285341379272250245noreply@blogger.comBlogger15125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-574300303008890516.post-39362881880092520722023-03-22T11:17:44.542-04:002023-03-22T11:17:44.542-04:00None of the above. She is mentioned in other repor...None of the above. She is mentioned in other reports. She was young when the boys were born. They searched for her and met her but she declined to be in the stories. Your judgmental tone is out of line.Jane Edwardshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09715622112694146946noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-574300303008890516.post-9484652272095625652023-03-22T10:08:53.573-04:002023-03-22T10:08:53.573-04:00The birth mother is not discussed possibly due to ...The birth mother is not discussed possibly due to unacceptable past/present behavior & choices she made. Perhaps to avoid judgment?<br />Also to avoid questions that may uncover a financial agreement. Could she (birth mother) possibly had received a payment from the research group???Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-574300303008890516.post-58533979160929521642021-09-06T20:01:21.931-04:002021-09-06T20:01:21.931-04:00Shocking story the notes and studies need to be ac...Shocking story the notes and studies need to be accessible to those who were a part of the studies it's about them after all and if there are other separated twins that dont know that have a twin have a right to know about it surely why are these records allowed to be sealed???? Who has the right to do that???? I dont understand it at all <br />Anne-Marie Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13270100848904805407noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-574300303008890516.post-12607257583817880452021-09-06T19:58:11.165-04:002021-09-06T19:58:11.165-04:00Shocking story the notes and studies need to be ac...Shocking story the notes and studies need to be accessible to those who were a part of the studies it's about them after all and if there are other separated twins that dont know that have a twin have a right to know about it surely why are these records allowed to be sealed???? Who has the right to do that???? I dont understand it at all Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13270100848904805407noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-574300303008890516.post-59661277200370574852019-02-02T16:17:08.973-05:002019-02-02T16:17:08.973-05:00I saw the movie presentation on CNN and was troubl...I saw the movie presentation on CNN and was troubled by the lack of info about the triplets mother. She seemed to be treated only as a "source" or an "afterthought." But they did search for her. And i did recall that back when the reunions happened, there were reports in the news, and tv shows with updated information on the family. The triplets did say they knew their mother and she was in their lives. Possibly, she didn't want to be in the public eye? One could certainly understand that.<br />Reunion is one thing, going public about it is another..Of course, in this situation, the reunion was facilitated by others' recognition in a public way, in the first place. This is a rather unique situation, although people do sometimes get reunited because of family recognition.kittanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-574300303008890516.post-35315605676352863902019-01-29T14:33:37.734-05:002019-01-29T14:33:37.734-05:00Yes, there was not enough said about the triplet&#...Yes, there was not enough said about the triplet's first mother. It was assumed that she didn't want them or couldn't care for them. What did she think/feel when she saw them in the news 19 years later? Did she reach out to them? As I recall the film did tells that they men met their first mother but no details about when or whether they continued contact.<br /><br />To add to your sad list, Boys and Girls Aid Society in Portland, Oregon placed newborn infants whose mother placed them in B&G's care at Oregon State University's Home Economics Department in Corvallis. The babies lived in a laboratory for a year serving as "practice babies" for home ec students. Jane Edwardshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09715622112694146946noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-574300303008890516.post-68619219064749354362019-01-29T11:38:43.835-05:002019-01-29T11:38:43.835-05:00I just wrote a nearly 750 word "summary"...I just wrote a nearly 750 word "summary" of my thoughts about this documentary. I've cut it. My biggest issue with the documentary and the public discussion about it is how very little issue is taken with separating the triplets from their mother. At the same time they separated the triplets from each other, they separated the triplets from the mother in whose body they grew for nine months. As for experimentation, a maternity hospital here in Syracuse shipped the "illegitimate" children across the street during the day to be used on "childrearing" coursework at a local two year Catholic women's college. Cornell utilized "illegitimate" infants in their child development studies. I would suggest that there are many books available which connect many dots about aversive behavioral programs, psychosurgery, behavioral studies and experimentation related to the post WW2 era of MK Ultra Mind Control. Reading the comments here, I remember that I completed "sociograms."Debrahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17594837464575536378noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-574300303008890516.post-22673956148643623332018-07-31T15:51:27.167-04:002018-07-31T15:51:27.167-04:00Pam--there's a long footnote about this in hol...Pam--there's a long footnote about this in hole in my heart. Famous awful agency. <br />Lorraine Duskyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18285341379272250245noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-574300303008890516.post-3523530529691490502018-07-29T21:07:26.025-04:002018-07-29T21:07:26.025-04:00Just would like to add some information here about...Just would like to add some information here about the post-war experimentation and what I can recall myself, as a child during that era.<br />There seemed to be quite a bit of government sociological "snooping" going on. I know my parents would have had a fit if they had known. On a regular basis, the school I attended...a nice, middle-class small elementary school in a very small community in upstate NY..would ask us to answer very personal questions.<br /><br />We had to answer the questions in writing with our names, ages and school information.<br /><br /> Teacher would ask, "What does daddy do for a living? How much money does he make? Who is your favorite parent? Who is your best friend? Do you hate anyone? What is your religion? Is there anyone you would not want to sit next to in class? etc etc"<br />This question/answer thing was called a "socio-gram" as I recall....and it was repeated many times year after year. It was in the 1950s and 60s.<br />Many years later, I read about this practice and found out that it was happening all over the USA, in schools like the one I went to. The gov't seemed to be gathering info on families by questioning innocent schoolkids during the Cold War. Were they looking for spies? or something. Or maybe they had other goals, as well.<br />I never told my parents because it didn't seem important, although it did make me feel uncomfortable. We were a captive group . We had to be there and had been told to "obey the teacher."kittanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-574300303008890516.post-22185072512939030492018-07-29T18:30:34.171-04:002018-07-29T18:30:34.171-04:00This: "What finally brought them down were th...This: "What finally brought them down were the lawsuits of adoptive parents who were given the children of severely mentally ill natural parents and told that those parents were normal bright college students, not institutionalized mental patients. The adoptees developed schizophrenia as teens and some were suicides."<br /><br />OMG!Pamela M. Salelahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12398730332287863739noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-574300303008890516.post-82568557239188921102018-07-28T13:41:51.175-04:002018-07-28T13:41:51.175-04:00Hey - I finally got caught up here. I think I las...Hey - I finally got caught up here. I think I last read here in May so had a few months to catch up on.<br /><br />Thanks for the recomendation of this movie. I'll be sure to see it. My sisters are identical twins and did a study in Minnesota. Fascinating.<br /><br />Love reading here Lorraine and Jane. Oh Jane loved Megan's piece the other day.Lee2noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-574300303008890516.post-6631595227241029152018-07-28T09:34:02.250-04:002018-07-28T09:34:02.250-04:00This is sickening to read about- my skin is crawli...This is sickening to read about- my skin is crawling. As for the banging of the infants heads in their crib: this is vaccine injury side effect of swelling of the brain which develops into unremitting excruciating pain.<br /> <br /> https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/168997.php Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-574300303008890516.post-16498692102694432092018-07-28T08:33:29.140-04:002018-07-28T08:33:29.140-04:00I did not know a movie was made about the triplets...I did not know a movie was made about the triplets, I don't see many movies. Thanks for the excellent review. Being in the NYC area active in adoption reform for many yeas, I am personally familiar with many Louise Wise horror stories. I knew a mother of male and female fraternal twins who were part of this study. Of course she did not know until she found them, and that they lived near enough each other that they could easily have met and gotten involved without knowing they were twins. <br /><br />Another mother, a close friend from our NJ group, had a mixed race child in the 60s. She was Jewish, the father was Chinese American. Another vile practice of that agency was giving the mixed race children of the nice Jewish girls who were sent there expecting a Jewish family to a non-Jewish family who were the race of the father. My friend Sharon's daughter went to an ethnic Chinese family who barely spoke English. As it turned out, the daughter resembled her Mother more than her father, was tall, wavy haired, did not look 100% Asian like the community she grew up in. She did not fit in. Sharon and her daughter had many years of happy reunion, and I met her daughter at Sharon's Jewish funeral after she passed away from cancer. Her daughter said the Kaddish with the sons Sharon had raised,<br /><br />Louise Wise was an evil agency that went beyond the everyday cruelty of other agencies. What finally brought them down were the lawsuits of adoptive parents who were given the children of severely mentally ill natural parents and told that those parents were normal bright college students, not institutionalized mental patients. The adoptees developed schizophrenia as teens and some were suicides.maryannenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-574300303008890516.post-24611665934071516342018-07-27T22:07:30.940-04:002018-07-27T22:07:30.940-04:00Thanks Gretchen! After the movie I stepped into th...Thanks Gretchen! After the movie I stepped into the ladies room at the theater and the only comment I heard was one woman asking another the name of the agency so she got it right. The woman who answered definitely knew the name. But I didn't get a chance to overhear more. Tony, who wrote a book about the mental health system called Reality Police, was outraged. <br />Lorraine Duskyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18285341379272250245noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-574300303008890516.post-79997585097264556992018-07-27T15:03:30.940-04:002018-07-27T15:03:30.940-04:00Excellent essay, Brenda Starr! :)
Having grown u...Excellent essay, Brenda Starr! :)<br /><br />Having grown up in the tri-state area, I was already familiar with the triplets reunion story. Adoption had separated me from my daughter for four years, and I remember thinking at the time, "Losing one child was difficult enough, but three?!"<br /><br />I saw the film in my suburban indie/arts cinema at a matinee, two other couples were the only other theater occupants. Early in the film when there was mention of Louise Wise, one of the woman gasped, "That's the one my sister..." I saw the couples standing outside on the sidewalk and interrupted their post-show discussion. I told them I overheard their Louise Wise comment, I was wondering if they were members of the adoption constellation. One of the women (the two couples were Jewish) thought her sister had adopted from Louise Wise, but later she realized it was another NYC agency. I didn't share that I was a birthmother (one word, not two).<br /><br />My Jewish friends saw the movie this week; when I asked her what she thought of the film, she replied, "Chilling. I was fascinated by the fact that a German Jew who escaped Nazi Germany could do a social experiment so heinous." <br /><br />Yes, adoption is indeed heinous. <br /><br />Thanks again for this enlightening post.Gretchenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18192643286153380436noreply@blogger.com