tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-574300303008890516.post9067630620850102659..comments2024-03-27T20:48:39.389-04:00Comments on [Birth Mother] First Mother Forum: First Mother Forum makes some people madLorraine Duskyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/18285341379272250245noreply@blogger.comBlogger96125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-574300303008890516.post-36174145043007919762013-02-11T11:03:56.689-05:002013-02-11T11:03:56.689-05:00yeah but i can't remember. I some day will ha...yeah but i can't remember. I some day will have to find my journal of new parenting because rain has it wrong. my heart grieves for that situation. if they had any idea of how much damage taking one child away does to a family... please baby buyers, don't buy more than one.... only children can be taught sharing if the mom does tons of play dates. and seriously what mom doesn't need a break, taking some else child for a day and then returning them is a blessing a gift since you buyers love this "gift" idea.nadesehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16624552930797070394noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-574300303008890516.post-83187453592216769322013-02-11T10:55:35.031-05:002013-02-11T10:55:35.031-05:00thank you moon star so much. and if you work in ...thank you moon star so much. and if you work in a group home or prison you will know that no mater the amount of money buyers have, adoption ruins tons of lives (adoptees that are dissolved to an institution because (they are bad?). i think the subtle differences in the way buyers talk is reflected in the real problems of adoption. rain bought children to call attention to herself. or listen to delilah, she can't stop talking about her wonderful zach and now that she has one of her own she realizes that kids are just like that. must really horrify these purchases of hers. though i think she does try. nadesehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16624552930797070394noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-574300303008890516.post-59929680277836511312013-02-05T10:40:18.465-05:002013-02-05T10:40:18.465-05:00nadese:
For some reason the comment I believe yo...nadese: <br /><br />For some reason the comment I believe you are responding to did not publish with the rest of your comment. You may wish to add it? I can see it in light type, but when I hit publish, it did not come up. You may wish to try again. Sorry for the problem. Lorraine Duskyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18285341379272250245noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-574300303008890516.post-57269712145276300602013-02-05T08:23:10.158-05:002013-02-05T08:23:10.158-05:00AAAUUUUGGGGHHHHH if they were desperate to find ch...AAAUUUUGGGGHHHHH if they were desperate to find children a home they wouldn't be lying to take them out of good homes in the first place!!!!!!!!! give that foul adoption credit to single moms and stop making trouble greedy fucked up baby thieves (foster care has tons of children baby thieves took and then decided they didn't want) social workers aren't lying to protect babies look at the big picture PLEASE!nadesehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16624552930797070394noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-574300303008890516.post-15338862613081072962013-01-31T13:19:37.181-05:002013-01-31T13:19:37.181-05:00Rain???? Soft hearted?
Now that is a hoot.Rain???? Soft hearted? <br />Now that is a hoot.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-574300303008890516.post-39273139192082069292013-01-31T02:37:08.532-05:002013-01-31T02:37:08.532-05:00One thing I forgot to mention is that Aleph Mem S...One thing I forgot to mention is that Aleph Mem Sofit is one time when mother is mentioned Mem is how it's spelled. Sorry for any misunderstandings. In the sentence of "strong binding waters" but Mem is the mother part.Sorry for any misunderstandings from my typing and leaving out words.Moonstarnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-574300303008890516.post-24330666351290415622013-01-31T01:17:47.853-05:002013-01-31T01:17:47.853-05:00And just in case here's one more.
http://capec...And just in case here's one more.<br />http://capecodmikvah.com/mikvah/the-mystery-of-the-mikvah/Moonstarnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-574300303008890516.post-36672438050219633802013-01-31T01:03:27.103-05:002013-01-31T01:03:27.103-05:00I wasn't spouting misinformation. I did my res...I wasn't spouting misinformation. I did my research. <br /><br />http://www.chabad.org/kabbalah/article_cdo/aid/380394/jewish/Forty-in-the-Mikvah.htm<br /><br />As there is also em kol chai. Which mother of all living Eve. Once again were em is used. <br /><br />http://www.chabad.org/theJewishWoman/article_cdo/aid/335943/jewish/Chavah-Mother-of-All-Life.htmMoonstarnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-574300303008890516.post-22146446820696988862013-01-30T17:53:02.973-05:002013-01-30T17:53:02.973-05:00Moonstar:
You're wrong, actually. The word fo...Moonstar:<br /><br />You're wrong, actually. The word for mother in Hebrew is not "ALEPH MEM-SOFIT"...in fact Aleph Mem and Sofit are simply letters or grammatical notes. <br /><br />The word for mother in Hebrew is Em or Am. The first letter of Hebrew is Aleph (meaning strong) and the second is Mem (meaning water). The meaning, when combined, means "strong water" or "binding water". Meaning that mother is the one who binds the family together. <br /><br />Please do your research before you start spouting misinformation. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-574300303008890516.post-89769882439832344052013-01-30T13:56:46.567-05:002013-01-30T13:56:46.567-05:00One more thingI forfot to put out there, to any AP...One more thingI forfot to put out there, to any APs, PAPs or any "pro-adoption" person who might be reading this.<br /><br />My mom was almost 19 at having me. And yes, she and my dad had to go on welfare temporarily. I did not under any circumstances "suffer" as some say welfare children do, while they were on it. I was very, very happy with my life and with my REAL parents. Yes the ones who conceived me and gave birth to me. I'm very, very grateful, they did not give me up. And may I repeat one more time, I was HAPPY! I was happy, healthy and thriving!<br /><br />I hope this confirms to some APs and PAPs, that they are not "saving" a child from a "hard life of welfare" when they adopt a infant. Moonstarnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-574300303008890516.post-55065625242582007882013-01-30T13:13:07.959-05:002013-01-30T13:13:07.959-05:00Check out all the comments by someone who goes by ...Check out all the comments by someone who goes by the name of "alecniles" on this video. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ENMZZdaHI64&list=UUXwwjdgwg2Rjw8WtJL0iN3w&index=7 <br /><br />He or she says "birthmothers" are nothing more than "incubaters" or "birthers" and need to stop blaming the agency and "stop blaming others for they're actions." And that adoptions is better for children cause it "keeps them off welfare" This person is a moron. <br /><br />I'll list the persons comments.<br /><br />"No one made you contact an agency. You asked an agency to place your child by walking through the door. You have missed placed blame for your own actions. It's irresponsible of you to place blame on others for your actions. It's not up to the hospital 2teach a mom 2b a mom. They only show U how 2latch on & change a diaper. But parents are suppose to research parenting practices b4 birth. In the same respect it's not the agencies job to teach you to cope w/adoption. It's on you & your family."<br /><br />"An incubator, a birther, & a surrogate do the same thing. They incubate embryo from zygote through the stages of fetal development, then birth new born for the the REAL parents. A person can incubate & deliver, but that does not make the Birther the parent. A complex person w/feelings can still be a Birther. They are not mutually exclusive. In fact, it makes them more complex. A Birther is no less a Woman for NOT being the Mom. You didn't have to birth. Misplaced blame won't change it. "<br /><br />One person even argued that adoption only benefits adults not children and alecniles replied.<br /><br />"mother's should be called what they are, a mother, no matter how they had their child. Nature doesn't decide the mother. The nurturer decides to be the mother. You are right, adoption benefits the parents. B/c a child is a gift from God. "<br /><br />Yep, just shows how much society is brainwashed by the industry. A lot of Christians also claim this too when it comes to the definition of "mother." However as I was going through other blogs, I found what the definition of mother really is in the Bible. It comes from the Hebrew word 'em it's spelled ALEPH MEM-SOFIT. Mem is the 13th letter in the Hebrew alphabet, it symbolizes water and is associated with the womb. Just as the waters in baptism, symbolizes spiritual birth. All out through the world, water has always symbolized giving birth. That is why in the 4 elements of fire, earth, water and air, water has always been considered a feminine element. <br /><br />So yes, according to the biblical definition of "mother" a mother is someone who gives birth, not someone who raises a child. Moonstarnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-574300303008890516.post-51757618825599453732013-01-28T19:42:28.994-05:002013-01-28T19:42:28.994-05:00Seriuosly these foster/adopt, paps and general soc...Seriuosly these foster/adopt, paps and general society really need a commuupnce when it comes to foster children wehter they be international or domestic.<br /><br />These babies are TRAUMATIZED, they have been broken, abused, shifted around like cattle and then placed in homes that are ill equiped to deal with them. NO, I do not give these foster parents or adoptive parents a break because just like many might say that the birthparents are the cause its their lack of education that is the problem. Its the ability to throw their hands up and just dump the child AGAIN. What do they expect the child to do, they know no other way to act, they may never know how to heal and thats what happens when you parent. YES these children are disturbed, horrible disturbed, just as disturbed as any child from any orphanage in another country. Then they go one to be abused again and again. Some abuse is obvious(sexual, putting them in cages, physical, withholding food, being treated like slaves) to the more subtle ,the situaion decsribed above send the child back because they won't be able to adopt. Do you know what that does to a child? Does anyone really care?<br /><br />I agree the foster care system is very broken and to all the people that truly do it to care for a broken human being for the sake of the human being and not to "get something" out if , my hats off to you. <br /><br />I have heard about some of the good orphaneges that are out of country and wonder if thats a better solution for these children then what we are doing now. Better oversight of the child, better openness of society andbetter treatment for the severly hurt. Many of the workers are very warm, loving people that take good care of the children. the babies, children can keep their names keep their persona.<br /><br />What we are doing now sure as heck is not working. I agrree in some cases in foster care the child can not stay with their families due to sever dysfuction but the goal should NOT be adoption to give someone a family ,but a safe loving home to give stabilty to a child without taking away their idenity, their souls, and making them be what the parents want instead of who they are.<br /><br />I have heard many parents and people say that they would not adopt from foster care because of the "disturbed" children...I think most people should not...for the childs sake, not the adults. ITs the adults that are not good enough for the child, not the child not being good enough for the adults.<br /><br />Gawd the more supposedly "evolved" we have become the more robotic and selfish we have become in our care for vunerable children. Need a child at any cost is t he motto nowadays...need a girl/ boy and however I get is ok...because the rest of the world is all wrong... not a "hopeful" adoptive parent, not a potential "birthmother" thats just not ready to parent.....its ok to just pass babies, eggs, sperm araound... because they are not really human and i want what i want...and that little creation that i attainted is mine all mine and just better know how lucky they are to be living and breathing...<br /><br />Yes, I am angry at the appalling attitudes adoptees need to listen to.<br /><br />And i had a decent situation, loving mom and dad, normal life and got respect for my adoptee status from them. Was also a foster child...still don't like the fact i was adopted. Wish i could have stayed with my biomom OR be born to my adoptive parents...dpennoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-574300303008890516.post-36797602837632010112013-01-27T23:15:54.975-05:002013-01-27T23:15:54.975-05:00Anonymous@12:20
I've been a follower of Rain&...Anonymous@12:20<br /><br />I've been a follower of Rain's blog for a while now. I started following her blog when her and her husband started foster care. My partner and I are long-time foster care providers. She fell into the common trap of most foster-adopt parents, thinking that everything would fall into place. They were fost-adopt parents, not straight foster parents. I know many foster parents who also are fost-adopt and they run into the same problem. Lies are pretty common among social workers. They are so desperate to find a house for a child, they will say anything to get the foster parents to say "yes", even if the child is not really up for adoption or has more severe needs than the family can realistically handle. <br /><br />You have to understand that the foster system is very broken and isn't really a good place for soft-hearted people (like Rain).Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-574300303008890516.post-14314279039199747162013-01-27T20:29:54.874-05:002013-01-27T20:29:54.874-05:00To be fair, some of the children in foster care wh...To be fair, some of the children in foster care who have been through hell are disturbed and I see no reason to accuse the parent who commented to expecting perfection. But hell is hell, and a child who is that damaged may be more than they could handle. It sounds like they have done a lot trying to help her. I'd give them a break. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-574300303008890516.post-19168165059299720772013-01-27T19:18:48.892-05:002013-01-27T19:18:48.892-05:00I'm starting to find this very common among pe...I'm starting to find this very common among people who adopt from foster care. A lot of them seem to have a worse attitude than those who adopt infants or internationally. <br /><br />I have been reading more of the articles about fathers, who were duped by Utah's adoption laws. In the comments of those articles, most of the APs were siding with the fathers, (especially Terry Achane) But there was two adoptive fathers, who adopted from foster care, who questioned Terry's character. And said an investigation needed to be done on Terry, to make sure he was fit to parent, and to make sure he didn't really abandon his daughter. He said a lot of awful things about Terry and other natural fathers, he kept referring to him as a "sperm donor." Other people argued with him saying, "he's in the military, what more investigation is needed?" but the adoptive father wouldn't stop making excuses.<br /><br />But many other APs and adoptive fathers who went through infant adoption or adopted internationally, were happy to hear Terry Achane is reunited with his daughter and didn't question his fitness to parent.<br /><br />Not saying everyone who adopts from foster care is like that, but it's something to look into. Or maybe it's the fact that there aren't enough infants to adopt, and they're angry they have to resort to foster care.<br /><br />Just a thought.Moonstarnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-574300303008890516.post-21688615998089790312013-01-27T16:39:34.720-05:002013-01-27T16:39:34.720-05:00Amanda, to me Rain sounds exactly like the enemy.
...Amanda, to me Rain sounds exactly like the enemy.<br /><br />"Of course you’re in pain. I feel for you. At the same time, that has very little to do with adoption."<br /><br />That said, her Cadet needed a stable replacement family, and she seems to be doing a good job of giving him that, no problem there, we should not make a Mrs. Sanger out of her. <br /><br />SIF seems more like an innocent bystander stumbling into a minefield and causing some damage there...<br />Theodorehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14634057445114838262noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-574300303008890516.post-36987288337412303462013-01-27T12:20:05.213-05:002013-01-27T12:20:05.213-05:00I fell out of love with Rain when I read how she t...I fell out of love with Rain when I read how she treated the children she fostered. She would be quite caring and loving until she learned a child was unavailable for adoption. I believe she strongly advocated for one infant her husband disliked for crying too much until they learned she would not be adoptable, then they returned her.<br />This is not the point of fostering. I feel they fostered for the wrong reasons and I found the things she wrote about the children she fostered to often be unkind.<br />I had no intention of adding to this conversation until the above post appeared. Rain's blog especially during her time as a foster parent is full of cluelessness and entitlement.<br />Her husband's post about owning up to one's choices and being grateful is particularly grating because it completely lacks any empathy.<br />I just do not find Rain and her husband to be particularly nice people.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-574300303008890516.post-70925926676690473382013-01-26T13:41:08.371-05:002013-01-26T13:41:08.371-05:00I've been reading FMF for a while, mostly beca...I've been reading FMF for a while, mostly because as a recent adoptive mother and an adult adoptee from foster care, I find many topic written about interesting and thought provoking. I'm all for adoption reform. When this topic came up, I went over to read Rain's blog and Single Infertile Female post. And then I came back here to read the comments. Frankly I'm shocked, especially how Rain's posts and comments were treated. I read back through her blog and her experiences with foster care. From what I can tell, she is the kind of adoptive parent that FMF is saying the world needs. While Rain's husband seems to be a typical male and doesn't understand the emotional issues involved, Rain seems to be the type to get it. I do think her words and meanings were very skewed on this forum. <br /><br />As for Single Female, she has some strong opinions, but none of them seem radical enough to warrent such anger from the readers here. <br /><br />I feel like if adoption reform is to happen, it needs to happen with the co-operation of bloggers and adoptive mothers. Who of you who actually read Rain's blog think she's an enemy in all this? And Single Female? While they may not be perfect advocates for the mission of FMF, they both seem to understand the need for openness and changes to the adoption industry. <br /><br />So, why are we treating them like some clueless, hate-mongers? <br />AmandaPnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-574300303008890516.post-43089162286831956412013-01-26T09:10:24.557-05:002013-01-26T09:10:24.557-05:00"We have made adoption seem like a normal way..."We have made adoption seem like a normal way to raise a child--when it should always be the abnormal--and this has seeped into the ethos of the times."<br /><br />This issue of adoption being normal is a double-edged sword for me. OTOH, I don't want it to seem normal to give up one's child or for a child to be raised outside of his biological family. OTOH, the more 'normal' adoption is considered and the more it is accepted by society, the less stigma there will be on children who are adopted. I would think that children adopted in the 21st century would have a much easier time with their adoptee status than adoptees who were born say in the 1930s and 40s.Robinnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-574300303008890516.post-38111128493062280912013-01-25T10:37:57.504-05:002013-01-25T10:37:57.504-05:00Theodore: Yes, I have seen the series and I am app...Theodore: Yes, I have seen the series and I am appalled. They are a celebration of the joys of adoption for everyone but the adopted. I just read the one from the first mother who says keeping that baby was never an option, but also talks about her fiance and the terrible time she had carrying due to health issues, such as diabetes. <br /><br />I don't get it. We have made adoption seem like a normal way to raise a child--when it should always be the abnormal--and this has seeped into the ethos of the times.Lorraine Duskyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18285341379272250245noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-574300303008890516.post-6631345873634259052013-01-25T08:40:39.873-05:002013-01-25T08:40:39.873-05:00Hey there SIF...I don't know whether you perso...Hey there SIF...I don't know whether you personally made the "birthparent equals unfit parent" generalization but I was just pointing out an assumption made by MANY people that we have to contend with, and defend against. I don't know much about you actually...just bits and pieces from the exchanges above. :)<br /><br />I know all p/adoptive parents aren't evil! I'm not that shallow. I do believe that quite a few of them are uneducated on first-mom/adoptee issues. I am completely aware that in our society, the attitude is "can't have a baby of your own, just adopt!" (on a personal level, I KNOW it's not that easy) Initially, there is little thought to 'where' that baby comes from. I know this because besides being a first-mom for nearly 28 years now, I am the daughter of an adoptee (who loved and adored her adoptive grandparents, btw), and I have 3 adopted first cousins by 2 different aunts/uncles. I've seen the mind-set first hand. One aunt just wanted to make sure she got a daughter after having 2 sons and then had a bio-daughter 7 months after adopting! Pure selfishness. No, not all adoptive parents are like her...thankfully! lol Anyway, I have several different perspectives from which to view adoption...not just as a first-mom. <br /><br />Oh, and sort of off topic but this was mentioned above...being justifiably punished by losing your baby for having premarital sex. What a sick assessment! First of all, I wasn't doing anything different than anyone else in my high school. I am one of the 2 girls in my senior class who got "caught!" Blame it on high fertility and not being responsible or cautious I suppose. My daughter's father was my boyfriend...only the 2nd person I ever had sex with, and I went on to marry him (26 years now!). FAR from being a "slut" or trashy girl. There were people doing WAY worse than me, but they got away with no consequences. I can see that crucifiction was fair punishment for my "indiscretion." NOT. <br /><br />I do think that even with our venting or raging, we have a message to be heard...even if it's not our intent at the time. You may or may not like the delivery, but with an open mind, you can extract valuable bits of information from what we have to say. <br /><br />That is all for now!Amyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10115696612301521540noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-574300303008890516.post-56985126874905373042013-01-25T07:47:50.144-05:002013-01-25T07:47:50.144-05:00Wow SIF, you sure caught us...talking about you. ...Wow SIF, you sure caught us...talking about you. Isn't that the whole point of having a blog? So that people will talk about you.<br />I disagree strongly with the things you had to say in regard to adoption and the fantasy land you seem to be living in. I was however, never offended. Just simply dismayed. I brought your blog to attention here as a contrast to those who have actually experienced adoption. <br />It was you who chose to, in your words, "pour over" this blog and then wrote a highly judgmental post entitled First Mother Forum. <br />I am not sure what exactly you are trying to prove. From your post, it is very obvious that you were offended by what Jane and Lorraine are doing here and you felt superior to their cause because they expressed a side you did not wish to see or experience. You are the one who opened up a bigger discussion. <br />The comments here initially that you offer as proof of first offense were in fact fairly innocuous and by your own admission were not unkind. You are the one who threw a big rock and titled it First Mother Forum.<br />And now you and your followers want to categorize the readers and commenters of FMF as "post menopausal" trolls. Post menopausal? What a lovely word choice. Does not describe me personally, far from it. Interesting label considering the context though.<br />So yes, you've certainly caught us all here for...talking about you and disagreeing with you. Perhaps you should go back to your own space and hang out with the people who think you are absolutely right and wonderful.Beenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-574300303008890516.post-61289203876408378232013-01-25T01:10:54.905-05:002013-01-25T01:10:54.905-05:00By the way, has anybody seen the series of adoptio...By the way, has anybody seen the series of adoption articles the Huffington Post is doing?<br /><br />Rain seems to fit in there quite well.Theodorehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14634057445114838262noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-574300303008890516.post-25623737408814890112013-01-24T22:40:17.430-05:002013-01-24T22:40:17.430-05:00SIF: You have me there. I apologize. I checked and...SIF: You have me there. I apologize. I checked and you appear to be correct that Jane's comment in late December led to the initial connection (such as it is) between our two blogs, and persons. What I was aware of was the traffic that we got from SIF and then some from Rain. However, your post about our blog which quoted FMF extensively and talked about the level of "vitriol" here, which did lead to a number of your readers ending up here, which is what I remembered. <br /><br />Sometimes on that post called "First Mother Forum," I think you were talking about the blog that Jane and I write, and you quote it extensively; other times, the comments, but it is not worth deciphering (at least to me) what was FMF and what was from a comment. You did seem to be horrified by what first mothers have to say about adoption, and the lies and pain that goes into it from this end--where it all begins. We are the most marginalized group in the adoption circle. Be that as it may, again I apologize for misstating how the connection started. Neither one of us wanted to respond to your extremely long response you sent to Jane, for the reasons stated in my earlier comment to you. <br /><br />One last note, if you do adopt someone from foster care who truly needs a home, that is a good thing. AshLee on The Bachelor, and someone who I spoke to a couple of years ago who "aged out of foster care" as she told me holding back tears, remind me that older kids really do need homes. Perhaps you will be the right person for someone, and if that is what you do, I wish you, and the individual, the very best.Lorraine Duskyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18285341379272250245noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-574300303008890516.post-50371737097778215752013-01-24T21:34:54.881-05:002013-01-24T21:34:54.881-05:00Lorraine,
In response to your point number 2, tha...Lorraine,<br /><br />In response to your point number 2, that you had never heard of me before I wrote about FMF and that I am disingenuous for implying otherwise:<br /><br />• On December 27th, I put up a post detailing various adoption stories I had seen recently in the news. It just so happened that FMF had written recently about some of the same stories. I never referenced FMF at any point during that post, because I had never heard of FMF at that point. <br /><br />• On that same exact day, FMF posted about one of the stories I had mentioned, that of Colin Kaepernick and his birth mother. You should be able to find that post to remind yourself of the sequence of events here: http://www.firstmotherforum.com/2012/12/a-son-refuses-to-meet-his-birthfirst.html<br /><br />• Within the comments of THAT post, Bee posted a link to my blog. You went on to have this response:<br /><br />"Lorraine Dusky said... Bee: I couldn't read that endless blog you linked to all the way to the endless end but I got her point: woe is me, I want to adopt internationally, I will be the parent whose kid doesn't want to meet his biological parents. Perhaps you or someone could gently urge her to read our post? December 28, 2012 at 11:08 AM"<br /><br />• At that point, I had still never heard of FMF. Jane later went on to comment on my original post, which again – Bee linked to – and directed me to FMF herself - something YOU had suggested someone do: <br /><br />"Jane Edwards said… Bee, I posted a comment on that single infertile female blog telling her she had everything wrong and asking her to read our posts on Russian adoptions and Heidi Russo/Colin Kaepernmick. December 28, 2012 at 8:48 PM"<br /><br />• The very next night, December 29th, I e-mailed Jane back after having visited your site for the first time. On the 30th I realized that e-mail had not gone through, and I resent it. <br /><br />• On January 7th, a full 11 days after I was first mentioned and discussed on FMF (a conversation which you clearly took part in), after having spent an exceptional amount of time pouring over your blog hoping solely to gain a bit of perspective on where you were coming from, and after realizing I was never going to hear back from Jane, I wrote a post about FMF which then led to the traffic you mention above.<br /><br />I am going to go ahead and give you the benefit of the doubt that you simply may not have remembered taking part in that conversation, or ever visiting my blog, but as you can see above – there is absolutely nothing at all disingenuous about my stating that you, and FMF, were discussing me before I had ever even heard of your site - and long before I ever wrote the post you mention then sending traffic here. I never even would have found this space had it not been for Jane directing me here, on your suggestion, in the comment she left on my blog on a post that had nothing to do with FMF and never mentioned your site at all. <br /><br />I am not a disingenuous person… yet another descriptor you seem intent on labeling me with, even though it could not be further from the truth. Is this how you deal with everyone who may not agree with your tactics? Throw as many negative depictions as you can think of at them, until something sticks? Because all I am sure of at this point is that while I took the time to dig into FMF pretty thoroughly in an effort to understand your perspective, you have done nothing but misrepresent me again and again without taking even a second to try to understand where I am coming from or what kind of person I am. I am not the close-minded one... I hope that much is at least clear to you now. <br /><br /><br /><br />S.I.F.https://www.blogger.com/profile/15037271343194689612noreply@blogger.com